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Post by klauth on Mar 19, 2018 3:11:46 GMT -6
Anyone shot these two out on overheads. or given consideration for choosing either one for a given situation?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 19, 2018 8:12:49 GMT -6
Never used the KU4. Always thought about using slightly brighter mics for OH’s and darker for room. Say a pair of C12s on OH and Ribbon/67s on Room.
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Post by drbill on Mar 19, 2018 11:03:25 GMT -6
I'm with John - I always end up wanting a brighter overhead set. Right now my favorite are the Gefell UM70's, but actually, I'd LOVE to try a pair of U87's with the InnerTube insert mod for overs. Muscular like the 87, but open and airy and lifted up top. I only have one though, and I can't seem to feel good about mono overheads. But yeah, a pair of C12's would be awesome.  Don't see that happening anytime soon. LOL |
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Post by notneeson on Mar 19, 2018 12:41:09 GMT -6
Lucas CS-1s are excellent on OHs! But then, the stereo Royer is too and it’s not exactly bright.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 19, 2018 12:53:12 GMT -6
High Dollar neeson lol
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Post by EmRR on Mar 19, 2018 13:14:29 GMT -6
Buy both and try? I bet a reworked original KU3 has greater resale and far sluttier.
I usually like darker OH and brighter room, distance being a benefit with poor technique trash can smashers. Good cymbals and technique can work with brighter overheads, but I rarely see that combo. I like ribbons with drum OH for the way they emphasize the fundamental frequencies over the harmonics, so if you're chasing body they are good.
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Post by notneeson on Mar 19, 2018 15:47:56 GMT -6
Well, I just meant they're cool C12ish mics! I had one on order (for a few years) but cancelled ultimately— 2nd kid was either born or on the way, I forget. My bud Ryan at Sharkbite in Oakland has a pair and I love tracking there. (That's his room in my avatar). Have access to a place w/ a pair of Flea 12s but have not tracked there yet. Looking forward to it. |
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Post by drumhead57 on Mar 19, 2018 17:25:55 GMT -6
I'd LOVE to try a pair of U87's with the InnerTube insert mod for overs. Thanks for the head's up on this. I'm gonna give them a shout. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Mar 19, 2018 18:38:42 GMT -6
I can't tell you how many times I've been asked to make an overhead sound like a 67.
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Post by joseph on Mar 19, 2018 19:20:35 GMT -6
Everyone always says that ribbons bring out the shells of the drums, but they are also more flattering and true I think to the transients on cymbals, especially brighter crashes and quicker rides. So I usually prefer eq'd ribbon these days.
Fig 8 mics like Coles can reject things from side in a way cardioids or tighter patterns like KU4 or M160s can't, and vice versa for ceilings.
That said, the U67 is on countless records and will probably sound more open than the KU4 so I'd go for that. Against pair of Coles, not so sure.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Mar 19, 2018 19:35:11 GMT -6
A 67 set to figure 8 gives you the best of both.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Mar 21, 2018 19:43:00 GMT -6
I own and have tried on Overheads,
Original U67's
Tube SM69
Original Km-84's
C-12's
Gefell, UM-70's
Vintage AKG 451E's
Coles 4038's
U87's
Royer SF-12
For me, the Royer SF-12 wins all the time, as I love the overheads to capture the overall drum sound instead of just cymbals.
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Post by spock on Mar 23, 2018 11:03:59 GMT -6
I love dark cymbals.
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 23, 2018 11:22:24 GMT -6
Huh i tend to like darker mics as overheads. Tames the cymbals down and helps the toms sound bigger.
That said, I really like DPA4006 for overheads. Not your typical OH mics and you'll want a nice room to use them(Omni's) but man...talk about some killer detail and sizzle with big toms.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Mar 23, 2018 11:27:52 GMT -6
I own and have tried on Overheads, Original U67's Tube SM69 Original Km-84's C-12's Gefell, UM-70's Vintage AKG 451E's Coles 4038's U87's Royer SF-12 For me, the Royer SF-12 wins all the time, as I love the overheads to capture the overall drum sound instead of just cymbals. I just tracked drums last week in a new room and tried the SF-12 the studio had on OH for the first time. I added a touch of top end to open then up (super dark cymbals) and was just blown away. Fantastic mic. Anybody ever use the Royer tube ribbons? |
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 23, 2018 11:33:38 GMT -6
I own and have tried on Overheads, Original U67's Tube SM69 Original Km-84's C-12's Gefell, UM-70's Vintage AKG 451E's Coles 4038's U87's Royer SF-12 For me, the Royer SF-12 wins all the time, as I love the overheads to capture the overall drum sound instead of just cymbals. I just tracked drums last week in a new room and tried the SF-12 the studio had on OH for the first time. I added a touch of top end to open then up (super dark cymbals) and was just blown away. Fantastic mic. Anybody ever use the Royer tube ribbons? I have two SF-2s. Hoping to try them on a small kit setup soon. Didn't know there were tube Royers. Bet that is awesome. |
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Post by notneeson on Mar 23, 2018 12:34:29 GMT -6
Yes! The 122v absolutely kills it on electric guitar. I need to spend some more time with it (at a room I book).
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Post by Guitar on Mar 23, 2018 13:41:24 GMT -6
I guess I like a brighter overhead and darker rooms.. I'm with bill and john.
by the way a U67 style of mic is superb on drum rooms.
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Post by drumhead57 on Mar 24, 2018 0:25:33 GMT -6
by the way a U67 style of mic is superb on drum rooms. You had to go and say that, now didn't you!?  |
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Don't see that happening anytime soon. LOL
