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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 28, 2014 15:37:54 GMT -6
Bob Olhsson would love to get your take on this. Being a songwriter, I have rarely - maybe once - gotten one of my demo's mastered...and it was some fly-by-night operation at that. Just really no need for it...But since I've been doing a few records, obviously, it needed to be done. I actually had some budget projects mastered by a guy I met through the purple site - and I thought he did a good job - they sounded better than when I sent them to him and he was extremely well priced. Anyway, I'm finishing up an EP for a kid to shop right now and we're gonna spend a little more here in Nashville - we were pointed towards Georgetown... I guess the point of the post is this: What should we expect from a good mastering job? I totally expect it to sound better, but I don't know if I expect some cloud-parting, amazing change. What should I listen for? More depth? Width? bigger bottom, smoother top, etc? Don't mean to come off as an idiot, but what should my goal be? Asking everyone that...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 16:40:21 GMT -6
Tough question, it really depends on what your mix is lacking. I've heard some stuff come back a little bigger in the bottom and obviously louder. Most guys are reluctant to really hammer it to commercial levels. One mastering guy told me once that loudness happens in tracking and that was obviously not the right answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 1:59:06 GMT -6
Depends on what is communicated with the mastering house/engineer. E.g. dynamic range, i mean, how much "louder" do you want your mix in the final master? 2 dB of limiting? Loudness war? Competitive to a specific product? The mastering guy has ears but no clearvoyance. You might let him decide on his own or talk to him.
I would expect the finally mastered product to be absolutely free of any possible annoying translation problems. Therefore i expect the mastering guy to have a better or at least equal monitoring than me (including ears...). So he can identify nasty things that i can not fix myself because i do not hear them. Normalized, free of digital clipping including possible inter-sample peaks. Ready to rock a few thousand trouble-free CDs (or SACDs or DVDs or MP3s or whatever. Another thing to remember: Mastering for specific media might need different masters to make the product sounds equal in perception. E.g. MP3 is different from CD is different from LP (artifacts of compression, limitations of LP e.g. track density, whatever can make the product sound inconsistently on different media). BTW, normalization in regard to the whole medium. E.g. if mastering an album for LP or CD, levels may be different to adjust/compensate for different dynamic ranges of the tracks and maintain same loudness... Nothing like this for radio version media or individual track downloads.
In fact, if a mix is extremely well, a good mastering engineer might do - essentially nothing to it, but only checking standards.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 2:14:33 GMT -6
In general, if you are completely happy with your mix, i would only expect the product to sound better and generally "right" without you beeing able to tell why ;-)
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 29, 2014 6:48:23 GMT -6
Thanks...that helps...My initial thought of what to communicate with the ME was exactly that - a general sense of overall EQ likes and dislikes, dynamics and general loudness. How many revisions (if any) should I expect?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 23:32:37 GMT -6
IMHO, if the mix is good, less than / max. 3...
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Feb 2, 2014 19:08:45 GMT -6
I got back into mastering in the '90s behind my friends hating what was happening to their mixes on CDs!
First do no harm is the watchword. It's all too easy to end up louder but worse sounding because the mix got stepped on. I try to never impose my taste unless I hear something I feel is obviously over the top and distracting. Better is good but just different is a mistake because I must assume my clients have already done due diligence on the mix. That said, I'll get aggressive when asked. I also never hesitated to ask Bob Ludwig or Doug Sax for a fix and consider mastering an interactive process. The artist is betting their career on what we do and they need to be able to own everything about their recording in order to get on a stage and sell it.
I also think about where the recording is being pitched. It's stupid to slam a gorgeous recording that will obviously never go into the pile at a CHR programming meeting. When that is the case, it's important to be loud enough. At Motown we always checked masters against the top 5 and I still do that when it's appropriate. I am also checking everything against Apple's iTunes format these days to make sure it doesn't screw anything up.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 2, 2014 20:32:13 GMT -6
Thanks, Bob!
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Post by lolo on Feb 20, 2014 9:53:30 GMT -6
Did you end up using anyone for some of your stuff JK?
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 20, 2014 9:58:16 GMT -6
We're actually down to work with Georgetown...my artist is out of the country right now, but we're finishing the last mix and hopefully moving forward next week. Our budget is down to nothing (because my artist decided to go out of the country ) so we will see what happens...Georgetown really worked with me on rate and I have no doubt we will get a great product.
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Post by dandeurloo on Feb 21, 2014 12:11:41 GMT -6
Who at Georgetown is mastering it?
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Feb 21, 2014 12:20:34 GMT -6
I do my attended sessions at Georgetown. Andrew and the entire staff are incredible.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 21, 2014 20:03:20 GMT -6
I believe Dan B.
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Post by lolo on Feb 21, 2014 21:28:01 GMT -6
Would love to get some of my stuff mastered at Georgetown Then again its just Demo's, but still
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