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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 2, 2018 11:52:40 GMT -6
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Post by c0rtland on Feb 2, 2018 11:56:27 GMT -6
Here comes the flood.
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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 2, 2018 12:25:13 GMT -6
And my bank account down the drain!
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Post by drbill on Feb 2, 2018 16:47:20 GMT -6
I heard mixed reviews from people who saw it and listened to it at NAMM.
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Post by pope on Feb 2, 2018 16:53:49 GMT -6
I heard mixed reviews from people who saw it and listened to it at NAMM. Like?
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Post by drbill on Feb 2, 2018 21:51:30 GMT -6
Rumors of harshness in the HF, glitchy software, and clumsy ergo's....but again, judge for yourself.
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Post by jeromemason on Feb 2, 2018 22:59:19 GMT -6
It's good to see the motion of using those available pins on the 500 card to be used to transmit those pesky 1's and 0's though. Pioneering this kind of thing lays the ground work for some of the bad ass DIY guys to create and open source framework, and hopefully the big manufacturers will adopt it and a standard will be created. The digital encoders used as pots and the processing should only take a small area of real estate on most 500 circuits. I told someone the other day that sent me links to this new EQ and their compressor that while I'm not a fan of this specific companies sound, I think this will get things moving on having a completely recallable analog 500 rig in the next 5 years.
To go further, creating a console from several racks setup to transmit the digital data would mean a completely recallable 500 console. Like what Paul has made, it would be easy to adapt that console to send on a blank pin with the digital framework, whatever framework that will come to be. There is for sure an opportunity for someone to create that framework and even retrofit kits to adapt 500 gear to accept whatever the industry standard will become. This is the stuff I wish more of the talented designers out there would start to focus on, (or get them back into the audio business to start) instead of trying to recreate old gear, creating new gear with new technology to make modular style desk's and hybrid rigs work for you, so speed and the demand for quality along with the ability to recall sessions without touching a knob are a true reality.
Guys like Brad over at LTL and Kush are doing these things. They're standing on the shoulders of giants to create truly useful and new cutting edge technology, as it should be and as it's been done for generations. I do hold hope that the talented designers out there will get pulled away from trying to recreate classics and create new legends of our time and context.
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Post by pope on Feb 3, 2018 4:37:18 GMT -6
I expect these to sell like hotcakes. Very catchy product especially for the GS generation They look pretty too.
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Post by adamjbrass on Feb 5, 2018 6:36:16 GMT -6
Rumors of harshness in the HF, glitchy software, and clumsy ergo's....but again, judge for yourself. there are a few top level mixing guys on my instagram feed sayin they love it, no issues. Hmmm
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Post by ericn on Feb 5, 2018 9:35:43 GMT -6
It's good to see the motion of using those available pins on the 500 card to be used to transmit those pesky 1's and 0's though. Pioneering this kind of thing lays the ground work for some of the bad ass DIY guys to create and open source framework, and hopefully the big manufacturers will adopt it and a standard will be created. The digital encoders used as pots and the processing should only take a small area of real estate on most 500 circuits. I told someone the other day that sent me links to this new EQ and their compressor that while I'm not a fan of this specific companies sound, I think this will get things moving on having a completely recallable analog 500 rig in the next 5 years. To go further, creating a console from several racks setup to transmit the digital data would mean a completely recallable 500 console. Like what Paul has made, it would be easy to adapt that console to send on a blank pin with the digital framework, whatever framework that will come to be. There is for sure an opportunity for someone to create that framework and even retrofit kits to adapt 500 gear to accept whatever the industry standard will become. This is the stuff I wish more of the talented designers out there would start to focus on, (or get them back into the audio business to start) instead of trying to recreate old gear, creating new gear with new technology to make modular style desk's and hybrid rigs work for you, so speed and the demand for quality along with the ability to recall sessions without touching a knob are a true reality. Guys like Brad over at LTL and Kush are doing these things. They're standing on the shoulders of giants to create truly useful and new cutting edge technology, as it should be and as it's been done for generations. I do hold hope that the talented designers out there will get pulled away from trying to recreate classics and create new legends of our time and context. Agreed but what we need to make it work is a supported standard ! Think back to all those old Computers you have seen in various rooms over the years to support a single piece of gear! I'm not sure if 500 is the format for recall, everybody I know or talked to who has done digitally controlled analog audio has stressed the importance of keeping the 2 physically separated and the 500 format is pretty tight! All that said I still want to know why nobody has given us a MIDI recallable LA2 ! 2 freaking Knobs!!!
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Post by ericn on Feb 5, 2018 9:37:07 GMT -6
Rumors of harshness in the HF, glitchy software, and clumsy ergo's....but again, judge for yourself. there are a few top level mixing guys on my instagram feed sayin they love it, no issues. Hmmm How many of them paid for them ? We all know the rules I drop it off you keep it and say nice things!
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Post by pope on Feb 5, 2018 9:38:47 GMT -6
Maybe that's why
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Post by ericn on Feb 5, 2018 9:47:30 GMT -6
Maybe that's why Yeah but talk about easy and a great place to start !
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Post by pope on Feb 5, 2018 10:01:23 GMT -6
I believe there was (is?) a retrofit that does exactly that. AFAIR they were using motorised pots for some pultec units. Can't remember more details though.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 5, 2018 10:08:44 GMT -6
Sounds like something Neil Young would be into (Hehe.)
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 5, 2018 11:33:33 GMT -6
there are a few top level mixing guys on my instagram feed sayin they love it, no issues. Hmmm How many of them paid for them ? We all know the rules I drop it off you keep it and say nice things! Hopefully someday I'll be one of those top level guys and can stop paying for stuff. Hahaha.
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Post by pope on Feb 5, 2018 12:59:39 GMT -6
Wealthy people get free gear and we poor guys have to pay for it. Isn't it unfair? haha
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Post by ericn on Feb 5, 2018 14:39:13 GMT -6
Wealthy people get free gear and we poor guys have to pay for it. Isn't it unfair? haha I'm not sure "wealthy" is the right word for working mixers or anybody but those at the peak of the industry food chain! Ain't like the old days!
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Post by Guitar on Feb 5, 2018 14:57:17 GMT -6
Greg Wells was being very clear about that on his Pensado studio tour... even though he has some great pro stuff, and the clientele and credits to back it up.
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Post by pope on Feb 5, 2018 16:05:42 GMT -6
Greg Wells was being very clear about that on his Pensado studio tour... even though he has some great pro stuff, and the clientele and credits to back it up. Clear about what?
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Post by Guitar on Feb 5, 2018 16:34:53 GMT -6
The post above mine, regarding the wealth of working producers. Greg was saying a lot of stuff like, "Now, I'm not rich or anything," before pointing at some fancy mic or whatever. It sounds like a joke now, but he seemed to be serious.
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Post by pope on Feb 5, 2018 16:48:04 GMT -6
OK I see, I thought you're talking about the EQ.
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Post by ericn on Feb 5, 2018 18:51:27 GMT -6
The post above mine, regarding the wealth of working producers. Greg was saying a lot of stuff like, "Now, I'm not rich or anything," before pointing at some fancy mic or whatever. It sounds like a joke now, but he seemed to be serious. You have to put things in perspective, for somebody like Greg, these are tools of the trade, many would consider the stuff in my freind who's a cabinet builder expensive toys, for him they are the investment made to run the business! Having dealt with guys like Greg I know that's how they view their gear! My original point was that there exists an unwritten quid pro co in our industry as well as most others, if I give you or long term loan you a piece of gear glowing public comments are expected! Not that the guys who get it free are wealthy! In fact the freebies can be a major pain in the ass, suddenly manufacturers are claiming you "love" some piece of shit that they showed up and left with you before it was ever plugged in and all you said was "the color looks cool" Or the manufacturer is a friend of a friend of the guy your sister is dating so there is that kind of can of worms. Reps have always loved to name drop & act like they know everybody, it was always fun to call a client who they were bragging about loving their knew widget and putting the client on speaker phone in front of them! OK I was a giant asshole in my youth, but they were B.Sing my clients by using the names of some of my other clients, so it would not only show the rep I had no fear on calling their BS, but the guy with a Mackie and an ADAT he was as important to me and protected by me as the guy with Grammy's Gold and Platinum! Of course it also kept me out of a ton of bullshit meetings because the reps didn't want me calling them on the verbal doggie doo doo!
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Post by Guitar on Feb 5, 2018 19:02:23 GMT -6
The post above mine, regarding the wealth of working producers. Greg was saying a lot of stuff like, "Now, I'm not rich or anything," before pointing at some fancy mic or whatever. It sounds like a joke now, but he seemed to be serious. You have to put things in perspective, for somebody like Greg, these are tools of the trade, many would consider the stuff in my freind who's a cabinet builder expensive toys, for him they are the investment made to run the business! Having dealt with guys like Greg I know that's how they view their gear! My original point was that there exists an unwritten quid pro co in our industry as well as most others, if I give you or long term loan you a piece of gear glowing public comments are expected! Not that the guys who get it free are wealthy! In fact the freebies can be a major pain in the ass, suddenly manufacturers are claiming you "love" some piece of shit that they showed up and left with you before it was ever plugged in and all you said was "the color looks cool" Or the manufacturer is a friend of a friend of the guy your sister is dating so there is that kind of can of worms. Reps have always loved to name drop & act like they know everybody, it was always fun to call a client who they were bragging about loving their knew widget and putting the client on speaker phone in front of them! OK I was a giant asshole in my youth, but they were B.Sing my clients by using the names of some of my other clients, so it would not only show the rep I had no fear on calling their BS, but the guy with a Mackie and an ADAT he was as important to me and protected by me as the guy with Grammy's Gold and Platinum! Of course it also kept me out of a ton of bullshit meetings because the reps didn't want me calling them on the verbal doggie doo doo! Tolls of the trade, haha, yeah absolutely. Trolls of the trade. You have got some great stories, Ericn.
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Post by ericn on Feb 5, 2018 19:05:55 GMT -6
You have to put things in perspective, for somebody like Greg, these are tools of the trade, many would consider the stuff in my freind who's a cabinet builder expensive toys, for him they are the investment made to run the business! Having dealt with guys like Greg I know that's how they view their gear! My original point was that there exists an unwritten quid pro co in our industry as well as most others, if I give you or long term loan you a piece of gear glowing public comments are expected! Not that the guys who get it free are wealthy! In fact the freebies can be a major pain in the ass, suddenly manufacturers are claiming you "love" some piece of shit that they showed up and left with you before it was ever plugged in and all you said was "the color looks cool" Or the manufacturer is a friend of a friend of the guy your sister is dating so there is that kind of can of worms. Reps have always loved to name drop & act like they know everybody, it was always fun to call a client who they were bragging about loving their knew widget and putting the client on speaker phone in front of them! OK I was a giant asshole in my youth, but they were B.Sing my clients by using the names of some of my other clients, so it would not only show the rep I had no fear on calling their BS, but the guy with a Mackie and an ADAT he was as important to me and protected by me as the guy with Grammy's Gold and Platinum! Of course it also kept me out of a ton of bullshit meetings because the reps didn't want me calling them on the verbal doggie doo doo! Tolls of the trade, haha, yeah absolutely. Trolls of the trade. You have got some great stories, Ericn. Thanks, just a different part I always love the Stories of Martin, Donr, Nobtwiddler and John Epstein! The thing is we all have our tales of different parts of this crazy music biz!
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