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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 16, 2018 12:48:25 GMT -6
I've always panned drummer perspective...not sure why...how do you guys pan?
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Post by EmRR on Jan 16, 2018 12:59:02 GMT -6
usually like I'm facing the drummer
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Post by stormymondays on Jan 16, 2018 12:59:24 GMT -6
I used to do drummer perspective way back when, until I found out there was actually more than one way to do it!
I asked my drummer. He said "I want to feel as if I'm watching a band play, not as if I'm playing with a band", so I went audience perspective ever since.
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Post by matt on Jan 16, 2018 13:15:53 GMT -6
audience perspective
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Post by gouge on Jan 16, 2018 13:28:11 GMT -6
Drummer
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Post by Tbone81 on Jan 16, 2018 13:38:46 GMT -6
Drummer perspective. My reasoning is that only drummers (and other musicians) care and/or notice. And most of them want to mentally air drum along to the song. So I try to keep their air drumming in line with what they're hearing lol.
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Post by pope on Jan 16, 2018 13:40:32 GMT -6
I was an "audience perspective" fanatic before becoming a "drummer perspective" fanatic so I settled somewhere in the middle (pun intended).
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Post by jimwilliams on Jan 16, 2018 14:10:26 GMT -6
Depends... left or right handed?
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Post by mulmany on Jan 16, 2018 14:43:18 GMT -6
Both... Depends on the client. I have a singer/song writer that started life as a drummer, the mix is broke if I mix audience perspective!
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 16, 2018 14:45:39 GMT -6
Always drummer perspective.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Jan 16, 2018 15:04:27 GMT -6
I mix drums from drummer perspective. The only time I’ll deviate is if it’s for a video facing the drummer.
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Post by wiz on Jan 16, 2018 15:31:05 GMT -6
Right handed drummer , audience perspective
Left handed drummer, don't know, never mixed one 8)
cheers
Wiz
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 16, 2018 16:03:20 GMT -6
Audience perspective. People don't usually air drum to my kind of music anyway. Panning is LCR with very, vey few exceptions. Drums are usually mono in the middle, if not they're mono somewhere else, but not usually (I know I'm not the Beatles.) If I have more than one room mic, THOSE are panned hard left and right.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jan 16, 2018 16:43:38 GMT -6
Drummer. But I don’t hard pan. I’ve never been much into having headphones on and hearing a drum fill go across the stereo spectrum.
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Post by nomatic on Jan 16, 2018 19:00:01 GMT -6
Always Audience.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 2:31:55 GMT -6
Neither as it's either pure electronic music or acoustic folk, haha. I just pan it to sound good.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 17, 2018 10:49:00 GMT -6
I just can’t imagine hearing a floor Tom on the left.
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Post by ericn on Jan 17, 2018 11:24:01 GMT -6
Its always been audience unless the client insists otherwise and then it gets really mild panning! I think it comes from years at FOH it's second nature!
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Post by EmRR on Jan 17, 2018 11:43:20 GMT -6
I just can’t imagine hearing a floor Tom on the left. !?!?!?!?!
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Post by Ward on Jan 17, 2018 11:51:10 GMT -6
Always from the drummer's perspective. Sits better in the mix, IMHO
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Post by schmalzy on Jan 17, 2018 12:28:58 GMT -6
I tend to take that sort of information from the band leader. Not necessarily asking them outright, just asking them about their rehearsal setup and if they feel like they have really great rehearsals or if they feel the live thing is where they actually feel best.
If everyone faces the drummer during rehearsals and the drummer is cool with whatever (and/or isn't the primary creative in the band) then I'll go audience perspective. If the drummer is the primary creative, has a huge say in the production, or everyone looks away from the drummer during rehearsal I'll pan drummer perspective. I'll also take primary listenership into consideration. Are they a mathy or technical band? Yes = another point for drummer perspective. No = one more for audience perspective.
I default to audience unless I'm given compelling reason to go otherwise. Often, the artist having a semi-strong enough opinion that they bother to mention it is a compelling enough reason.
I work primarily in rock so I'm shooting for (sometimes achieving?) "big" sounds. Overheads get hard-panned. Toms are soft panned (50% maybe? I don't need 90hz of a floor tom blowing up only one side of my master bus compressor but I don't want it too feel too small), and I'm probably using a combination of mono and hard-panned stereo rooms.
What I find more fascinating than drum panning is how you pan the rest of the everything.
Often in rock genres there are doubled (left and right) rhythm guitars. What are you doing with the non-doubled stuff? Center? Soft-panned? I TRY to put contrasting stuff together and pan similar stuff away from each other as much as possible (when those things need to stand out - but when they need to blend I'll pan similar towards similar). Two instrument parts in a section playing non-identical stuff and you want them both to be heard and contribute? Which one's more rhythmic? Pan that away from the subdivision component of the drums (whichever has it at the time - hats, ride, etc.) and pan the thing with the longer notes towards the subdivisions. More contrast per side when you want to hear it. Maybe it's frequency response? Bright guitars away from the hihat and dark rhodes away from that floor tom that gets ridden later in the song? What about the single-tracked vocal harmony? Send it to a Haas delay and surround the lead vocal or leave it unbalanced? What's the emotional context at that moment of the song? Does it inform that harmony or is it just there because the vocalist wanted to pretty it up a bit?
Ugh!! Too many possibilities!!!! IT'S ALL GOING UP THE FUCKING MIDDLE!!!!!!!
Just listen 'til it sounds good, right?
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Post by EmRR on Jan 17, 2018 13:07:49 GMT -6
Always from the drummer's perspective. Sits better in the mix, IMHO !?!?!?!?! What happens when the speakers are flipped? I don't think in 23 years of doing this that anyone has ever dictated drum panning perspective to me, outside of effects like hard panning. They let me get on with it. Double drum kits, panned opposite, Melvins style 2 drummers with a shared kit buildout, Allman, Dead, etc.
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Post by popmann on Jan 17, 2018 19:51:14 GMT -6
I actually never thought about how I panned (drummer perspective) until a client asked me to do the opposite. I didn't really ever consider whose perspective....it just sounds right to me to have the hat on the left....but, he had apparently noticed that no matter whose material, I always panned that way, and it bugged him--kudos to him for bringing it up on the front side. I have no issue reversing them IF I know that going in. If someone ever sprung that on me as a revision request, my heart would sink, because it's not "as easy" as reversing them....it will throw the symmetry off in general....luckily, knock on wood--only time it's ever come up was in advance--that ONE time.
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Post by jazznoise on Jan 18, 2018 12:53:40 GMT -6
Audience here the kit in mono, drummer hears the kit in stereo. So drummers perspective always, unless I'm instructed otherwise.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 18, 2018 14:41:21 GMT -6
Always from the drummer's perspective. Sits better in the mix, IMHO !?!?!?!?! I don't think in 23 years of doing this that anyone has ever dictated drum panning perspective to me, ; Me either...it's not that huge a deal...I was just wondering what people thought.
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