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Post by ariel on Dec 26, 2017 2:39:10 GMT -6
I thought I would start a thread on this even though it was mentioned in another patchbay thread. So this looks like a great idea for patch bay control. Not jumper cables needed. I am just wondering how they will work out the spanning of multiple units though. Looks promising for sure www.flocktechnologies.com/
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Post by drumrec on Dec 26, 2017 4:46:40 GMT -6
Yeeeee...looks really promising! Like u say ariel ”I am just wondering how they will work out the spanning of multiple units though”. If you cascading 2 64 I/O unit? What is the price of it?
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Post by ericn on Dec 26, 2017 8:05:18 GMT -6
Yeeeee...looks really promising! Like u say ariel ”I am just wondering how they will work out the spanning of multiple units though”. If you cascading 2 64 I/O unit? What is the price of it? The catch I see is they talk about the software controlling multiple units they don't say that 2 units equals 128x128 or 2 64x64 this and the expenses of building a large silent matrix are what always kills this type of product * possible conflict of interest alert my former employer's manufacturing division was a leader in large digitally controlled analog matrix products, but never offered or to my knowledge thought about a studio patchbay type product!
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 26, 2017 10:36:21 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 26, 2017 10:39:57 GMT -6
Impressive
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 26, 2017 11:08:21 GMT -6
The only major difference between the MOTU avb and this is the 48v phantom. How often is that required?
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Post by drbill on Dec 26, 2017 11:26:17 GMT -6
Personally, I don't want 48v anywhere near my patch bays. Not having pre's in PB's complicates things, no doubt, but 48v patched into converters or other outboard by accident is worse.
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Post by jdc on Dec 26, 2017 13:16:32 GMT -6
The only major difference between the MOTU avb and this is the 48v phantom. How often is that required? I'm not sure i follow. This is for replacing jack fields connected to analog gear, whereas the motu avb switch is for networking multiple motu adc/dac units (16a, 24ao/ai etc.) Unless you're referencing a different motu product and I'm mistaken?
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 26, 2017 14:11:34 GMT -6
All of the motu avb units can do digital patching without ever going to the digital outs. So it’s just a matter of pricing.
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Post by jdc on Dec 26, 2017 14:46:21 GMT -6
Ah! I see your point now, thank you for the clarification
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Post by drumrec on Dec 26, 2017 15:03:47 GMT -6
ericn You have a point there! I agree matt@IAA that it's superfluous with the 48v feed, it's never going to be used, since most people have external preamp (that feature I could be without). What I like is total recall that is easy to save for different recordings. I suppose it warns before burning the channel, if you happen to have 48v phantom power turned on (also a plus). Wondering where the price tag is for 64 I / O
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Post by rowmat on Dec 26, 2017 15:07:02 GMT -6
Personally, I don't want 48v anywhere near my patch bays. Not having pre's in PB's complicates things, no doubt, but 48v patched into converters or other outboard by accident is worse. That's also why I installed XLR patch panels for the lines coming in from the studio and for the preamp inputs. The preamp outputs then appear at the TT bantam patch bays.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Dec 26, 2017 17:36:52 GMT -6
Looks interesting, but is a patchbay really that much of a hassle? And typing your insert list into the comments section of each track really isn’t that big of a deal. You still need to do a recall for all the gear...
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Post by rowmat on Dec 26, 2017 18:28:55 GMT -6
In Reaper you can include track notes and embed pictures of your outboard chain settings in the session track notes. ( Johnkenn , There seems to be a bug in the image insertion function. Some images appear full size rather than linked thumbnails)
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Post by Quint on Dec 26, 2017 18:36:44 GMT -6
All of the motu avb units can do digital patching without ever going to the digital outs. So it’s just a matter of pricing. Yes, but it's still converting to digital to do the routing and then reconverting to analog to send it back out, just as all interfaces do. I don't see what is unique about the Motu in that regard or how that directly compares to the Flock patchbay which remains 100% in the analog domain?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 26, 2017 21:04:26 GMT -6
In Reaper you can include track notes and embed pictures of your outboard chain settings in the session track notes. ( Johnkenn , There seems to be a bug in the image insertion function. Some images appear full size rather than linked thumbnails) View AttachmentIf you attach a picture it will appear as a thumbnail. If you link it, it will appear full-size. I’d rather people post links to pics hosted elsewhere as attached pictures cost me money for storage.
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Post by rowmat on Dec 26, 2017 21:10:59 GMT -6
In Reaper you can include track notes and embed pictures of your outboard chain settings in the session track notes. ( Johnkenn , There seems to be a bug in the image insertion function. Some images appear full size rather than linked thumbnails) If you attach a picture it will appear as a thumbnail. If you link it, it will appear full-size. I’d rather people post links to pics hosted elsewhere as attached pictures cost me money for storage. Okay but I did use the "Add Attachment" button and it still appeared full size rather than a thumbnail. It seems to be inconsistent. Sometimes it appears as a thumbnail, other times the full image. Point taken I'll link to external images in future.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 26, 2017 21:13:42 GMT -6
Huh. Not sure then.
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Post by ariel on Dec 27, 2017 3:33:37 GMT -6
I am all about digital recall for analogue stuff, having a patchbay like this would be great for instant recall. I have to do tons of re-patching all the time as I am running multiple sessions quite frequently. If I could just open up a pre saved routing system that would save time and also cut down on the mess with the patch cables all over the place. That is why I am looking fwd to seeing how this works out.
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Post by drumrec on Dec 27, 2017 4:29:02 GMT -6
I am all about digital recall for analogue stuff, having a patchbay like this would be great for instant recall. I have to do tons of re-patching all the time as I am running multiple sessions quite frequently. If I could just open up a pre saved routing system that would save time and also cut down on the mess with the patch cables all over the place. That is why I am looking fwd to seeing how this works out. Exactly, that was what caught my interest first
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Post by ericn on Dec 27, 2017 7:42:37 GMT -6
I'm waiting to see the price, price and limited size killed the SSL!
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Post by b0b0 on Dec 27, 2017 8:43:11 GMT -6
This looks amazing for my workflow!
What’s the risk to sound quality here?
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 27, 2017 8:57:31 GMT -6
All of the motu avb units can do digital patching without ever going to the digital outs. So it’s just a matter of pricing. Yes, but it's still converting to digital to do the routing and then reconverting to analog to send it back out, just as all interfaces do. I don't see what is unique about the Motu in that regard or how that directly compares to the Flock patchbay which remains 100% in the analog domain? Oh I completely missed that. I thought what they were touting was the routing. (No rhyme intended). As far as the motu goes, I thought their internal matrix routing was unique but perhaps not. It certainly is more flexible than any other interface I've used. I have it tagged in my mind as "zero latency" but I guess this isn't true. Now I'm wondering how fast it actually is when you go, for example, pramp -> motu internal routing -> compressor -> motu -> headphone send. motu.com/techsupport/technotes/avbrouting
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Post by ericn on Dec 27, 2017 10:03:59 GMT -6
This looks amazing for my workflow! What’s the risk to sound quality here? That's the million dollar question!
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Post by c0rtland on Dec 27, 2017 10:52:13 GMT -6
Pretty bird
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