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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 21, 2017 11:44:35 GMT -6
I might just go with Ozone 8
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 21, 2017 11:49:44 GMT -6
I'm gonna try it out...and I bet I won't be able to resist...but my goodness...how many limiters do I need? Wise words. You still use logic? Try the Adapative Limiter. The AD Limiter is with its "True Peak Detection" in many cases a very clean sounding limiter.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 21, 2017 11:54:19 GMT -6
I have Logic, but don't use it...
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Post by noah shain on Dec 21, 2017 12:14:40 GMT -6
I have Logic, but don't use it... I’ve been an Ozone hater for years but I can’t do it no more... it’s so good. Neutron too. I’m tempted to say game changing. The workflow is incredible. Seriously worth watching an iZotope tutorial vid.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 21, 2017 12:30:02 GMT -6
Hell I don't even know what Neutron is...gonna have to go check.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 21, 2017 17:42:07 GMT -6
Hell I don't even know what Neutron is...gonna have to go check. it's cheating is what it is.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 21, 2017 20:44:52 GMT -6
Hey noah shain NoFilterChuck Do I really need Ozone AND Neutron? Need to watch some videos but they seem to be doing similar things? Honestly, something like this might be a better betterizer for me than a $2000 compressor.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 21, 2017 21:27:04 GMT -6
Hey noah shain NoFilterChuck Do I really need Ozone AND Neutron? Need to watch some videos but they seem to be doing similar things? Honestly, something like this might be a better betterizer for me than a $2000 compressor. Iono man. You could spend that 2k on a room remodel and it would be waaaaay better than anything else, or you could spend 2k on a used dirt bike (rad) and have a good ol time every weekend... Choices...
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 21, 2017 21:41:53 GMT -6
This is totally against company policy...but I'm really moving away from HW these days...quick recall is so important...
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 21, 2017 22:13:28 GMT -6
Watched those vids...pretty amazing...I might drive myself insane with Neutron/Masking...I kept thinking during that video "everything is going to mask at some level..."
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Post by noah shain on Dec 22, 2017 0:30:53 GMT -6
Watched those vids...pretty amazing...I might drive myself insane with Neutron/Masking...I kept thinking during that video "everything is going to mask at some level..." Well I bought ozone waaaay back and I didn’t have to pay full price for this version. Is it 2 grand?!?! It’s really good. The masking thing isn’t really doing anything for me...its as vague as...as...well...as masking is. The way it meters is not super super fine resolution. It kinda confirms for you the general area of masking but it’s not an automatic masking fixer. You still gotta fuss around like you always do and inch your way towards unmasking like always. The workflow, inter connectivity of the plug ins and modules within the plug ins is REALLY good. The plugs themselves are good and their connection is EXTRA good. Ozone is great and Neutron is great. Get em both. The tonal balance thing is effing cool too. I’m a reference chaser all the way and it helps a lot. There’s a review of Neutron in tape op that is illuminating. I am using the heck out of these on a really tricky record right now and I feel like they helped me up my game for sure. I could almost ditch most of my other plug ins. I say thumbs up big time.
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Post by M57 on Dec 22, 2017 13:04:57 GMT -6
I keep on thinking that I'll probably break down and buy some FF stuff. I usually have around two compressors in series on the 2. I really like the FG-Grey and the FG-Mu on the Slate VBC rack. I let the Grey do most of the compression (it grabs in a nice old-school way that I like) - and let the MU impart more color than compression. At that point, the dynamics are usually not there, but color-wise it's real close. From there, I usually put the Slate FG-X (which is not a limiter per se) next and let it do some heavy lifting and seasoning to taste (the transient and dynamic perception knobs and ITP slider are handy tools to have near the end of the chain). At this point, I like to have about 1db of headroom to play with, and from there I put Logic's adaptive limiter at the end, letting it shave off an additional 1 or 2 db off the top to taste. I like most of my stuff to end up with about a 10db dynamic range, so I have pre-set templates that are usually about 90% of the way there at the ready.
I think the Logic Adaptive Limiter is dead simple and pretty damn transparent. I use it at the bottom of the 2 on EVERY project. It's hard to justify spending so much money on bells and whistles knowing I'm more likely to get in trouble with than make things sound any better.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 22, 2017 14:35:47 GMT -6
I watched the videos and did a demo mix and I'm very impressed. I'm talking about the iZotope stuff.
Tonal Balance reminds me of the old Har Bal software I used to use... except it works during the mix rather than after, and just seems all around more flexible and better. I think this exactly the sort of reference software I needed. My test mix came out great.
Neutron is a nice channel strip... maybe the coolest thing for me at first is just having a good dynamic EQ option. And the fact that the compressors, exciter, etc are all multiband. Really helpful. And of course the interaction with the tonal balance plugin is great. Overall, seems like a real problem-solver. Watch the HoboRec video if you need proof... he takes this ringy snare drum and uses dynamic EQ to isolate and remove the ring from the snare, pretty impressive.
On the topic, I have moved away from the FabFilter stuff in general, preferring simpler plugins, these days. But Pro-L is still on every mix I do so I'm going to have to spend some christmas money before the sale is over.
If you have a FabFilter account, login, and they are offering some pretty steep discounts right now on all of the FF plugins. Until the end of the month.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2017 18:31:04 GMT -6
WOW. I just took off all my plugs on my master, ran the Mix assistant for streaming...and depressingly, I think it improved things lol. It heard some low mid stuff that I just didn't hear that made it better. Gonna have to buy it I think.
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Post by christopher on Dec 22, 2017 18:45:13 GMT -6
This is totally against company policy...but I'm really moving away from HW these days...quick recall is so important... don't worry you'll be back, eventually. One good way I've found is to render each mono track OTB back in through a stereo bus, recorded in stereo, before mixing. Stereo is important gives the 3D analog sound. But you can keep the originals in the project as well if you need them. takes me about 1 hour before mixing, since I don't have enough converter channels. but it's such a wonderful thing, saves so many headaches. (I didn't do that for the wiz track yet though)
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Post by delcampo on Dec 22, 2017 19:40:34 GMT -6
digging elevate.
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Post by ericn on Dec 22, 2017 22:31:14 GMT -6
WOW. I just took off all my plugs on my master, ran the Mix assistant for streaming...and depressingly, I think it improved things lol. It heard some low mid stuff that I just didn't hear that made it better. Gonna have to buy it I think. Less is more my freind, or your just that fucking good you don't need no plugins 😎
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2017 23:07:49 GMT -6
I usually only have three things on the master bus. MusEQ, Vari-Mu and then the limiter. I liked what this did with the dynamic EQ.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 22, 2017 23:18:47 GMT -6
yeah, that Eventide Elevate plugin looks pretty bananas. I don't understand the whole "Mel" scale being used for the filters, same with what gets used on their Equivocate plugin. Seems gimmicky, but it does work really well. no color or anything, just effective equalization.
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Post by notneeson on Dec 23, 2017 10:41:30 GMT -6
I bought that Brainworx Limiter when it was on sale for $19. Partly because I am supposed to interview the guy at some point but have never used his products (I don't know why I don't demo things more, I just don't bother).
Anyway, I think I still prefer the L2007 on first go, but the saturation in the BX is worth the minuscule cost alone so now I think I'll use both.
Have used and liked FF at other studios, my problem is just that I can't decide which of the "better than Massey" brick walls to upgrade to. Probably goes back to my laziness around demoing things— my ancient Mac Pro running 10.7 doesn't play well with web browsers.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 23, 2017 21:31:51 GMT -6
Demoing Elevate...Pretty killer...although I'm at a loss as to how to benefit from most of the features. You can really change the sound from just scrolling through the presets. There are some ASC Mastering? presets (whatever it's called) and there was a medium punch that I really liked that really tamed the snare nicely.
Still, I think I might end up buying Ozone 8. I was pretty blown away with the Mastering Asst. feature - if only for the Dynamic EQ where it identifies some problem areas. I actually found myself listening and going - huh, didn't know that was an issue - but I can now hear it was...
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Post by delcampo on Dec 23, 2017 22:43:27 GMT -6
Finding that elevate, if in 5 band mode, doesn't mess with the low end as much as some limiters. It can help to then un click most parameters & start bringing them back in to see what works.
I heard others say ozone is quite good. Wish it was available as a single, bundle’s a bit costly.
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 24, 2017 6:33:08 GMT -6
What did TC electronics get so RIGHT with Brickwall Limiter that nobody seems to be able to match!
I've made great effort tp keep my Powercore 6000 running just so I can use Brickwall Limiter.
I have Ozone 7, Fabfilter, Sony and Elephant limiters but nothing can come close the Brickwall by TC.
I only reduce by 3dB max when mastering but the utterly amazing clarity of TC Brickwall just shines head and shoulders above the rest and what's most crazy is the code behind Brickwall must be at least a decade old - if not older!
It's the way transients get limited yet remain perfectly in tact in terms of their clarity.
TC have now released VSS3 as a native plugin, so I'm hoping they will release Brickwall as a native plugin so other people can use it too.
For making stupidly loud master (something I personally don't do) I think there are better tools than Brickwall but for musical limiting at around the 3dB max - I've yet to find something to beat Brickwall.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 24, 2017 11:08:33 GMT -6
Finding that elevate, if in 5 band mode, doesn't mess with the low end as much as some limiters. It can help to then un click most parameters & start bringing them back in to see what works. I heard others say ozone is quite good. Wish it was available as a single, bundle’s a bit costly. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Ozone8Ad
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Post by delcampo on Dec 24, 2017 12:34:11 GMT -6
Finding that elevate, if in 5 band mode, doesn't mess with the low end as much as some limiters. It can help to then un click most parameters & start bringing them back in to see what works. I heard others say ozone is quite good. Wish it was available as a single, bundle’s a bit costly. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Ozone8AdThanks John I did see that. Just not personally willing to pay more than about $100 for the degree of which I use one.
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