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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 31, 2015 15:27:21 GMT -6
What is the "golden ratio?" In mathematics, two quantities are in the golden ratio if their ratio is the same as the ratio of their sum to the larger of the two quantities.divine proportion, divine section (Latin: sectio divina), golden proportion, golden cut,[5] and golden number.[6][7][8] Some twentieth-century artists and architects, including Le Corbusier and Dalí, have proportioned their works to approximate the golden ratio—especially in the form of the golden rectangle, in which the ratio of the longer side to the shorter is the golden ratio—believing this proportion to be aesthetically pleasing. The golden ratio appears in some patterns in nature, including the spiral arrangement of leaves and other plant parts. Mathematicians since Euclid have studied the properties of the golden ratio, including its appearance in the dimensions of a regular pentagon and in a golden rectangle, which may be cut into a square and a smaller rectangle with the same aspect ratio, Generalizing, when used, promotions in rooms feel right, in architecture, it looks right, in sound, it sounds right, etc.
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Post by stevenslate on Nov 3, 2015 21:23:36 GMT -6
Hi guys, thanks for the continued discussion on VMS. I'm here to answer any questions.
Cheers, Steven
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Post by lolo on Nov 3, 2015 22:02:04 GMT -6
Saw this earlier.
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Post by wiz on Nov 3, 2015 22:55:04 GMT -6
Saw this earlier. Well, thats amazing. If the owner of the mics would use em as a matched pair. Awesome. cheers Wiz
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Post by ragan on Nov 4, 2015 0:21:21 GMT -6
Lots of people accuse (directly or indirectly) Steven of being a huckster. I honestly don't think he is. I've put his plugins next to the hardware on a couple occasions and they're extremely good models.
I don't really doubt he's done what he says he's done.
The tracking/DAW monitoring/latency thing may be a deal breaker for me but it may not. The only practical way to use it for many folks is gonna be to just monitor the mic itself with no modeling and then apply the modeling later, which seems less than ideal. But I'm super curious. I've been taking with my usual Guitar Center guy who's contacted Slate about availibilty and is finding out if I can return it or not. I wouldn't buy it if I can't return it. It's just too radically new of a thing. Very, very hard to say whether you'd love it or hate it without giving it a whirl.
I'm also sure that if I buy it and love it, in a relatively short period of time they're gonna come out with a 2 channel LDC/SDC 1U package (that's a total guess) and I'll wish I had that.
We'll see.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 4, 2015 2:06:01 GMT -6
gear like time moves on:meaning at some point software modelling will get good enough. Maybe that time is now.
I beta tested ssd 4 for Slate and while Steven was born to sell, I also found him very straight forward and always very concerned about the quality of your recording experience and his products as tools to help you.
Like Ragan above, I am open minded and think the retail after sales service will be very critical to launching and establishing what is a intriguing and innovative true new hybrid HW/SW product.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 4, 2015 5:57:01 GMT -6
Hi guys, thanks for the continued discussion on VMS. I'm here to answer any questions. Cheers, Steven I have a couple. First, I see this block of writing on Sweetwater... If software can't be returned, how do we demo this thing? I assume you won't be shipping demo units around for us to try before buying. Any suggestions? Also, on the Sweetwater page, the description says... Is this just old copy or something? It looks like the preamp only has one input and no digital features (at least in the pics). How much gain does the preamp have? Can it be used with other mics? Can your mic be used with other pres? Could I put the 251 emulation on an acoustic track that I recorded with an Oktava 012? What I'm getting at is there are no barriers to keep us from doing this stuff, right? The mic and or preamp doesn't have some oddball proprietary connection? The pluging can sit on any track, not just some special VMS track only or something?
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 4, 2015 6:30:08 GMT -6
Good questions
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Post by donr on Nov 4, 2015 8:29:26 GMT -6
You'd assume the mic modeling software would work with any recording. It wouldn't be what's intended, but it might sound good.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 4, 2015 8:49:02 GMT -6
I hadn't thought about the latency.
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Post by jazznoise on Nov 4, 2015 8:59:18 GMT -6
Steve Slate is to most gear advertisers what Jack Bauer is to Nico from Above The Law. So incredibly over the top in comparison, and a lot more awesome.
I'm waiting for the ad campaign where it starts off with him benching 300lbs before stopping, racking the weights and looking into the camera
"Oh hi, didn't see you there."
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 4, 2015 9:36:22 GMT -6
I watched some of the VMS demonstration at AES. In that environment, through the PA system, it sounded a bit shrill, but that says nothing of the VMS system, which worked flawlessly. Mr. Slate is indeed a master salesman, but he is much more than that, giving his sales pitches some gravitas. I see a very hard working driven guy who's taken the Steve Jobs model to heart, except he's not an asshole in private, just an excited entrepreneur with some big dreams.
I'm a little concerned about the processing power needed. Where UAD hit a bullseye is with the option to listen to or print with their plug-in effects. I wonder, can I print with the VMS processing on, and then print another track with a different mic emulation? Otherwise, I might have a half dozen different mic emulations running at the same time and tax the CPU processor, no?
He's developed an entire Slate universe there, but I'm not jumping in just yet. I'd like to hear the VMS system for myself first.
Steven and Fabrice at AES 2015.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 4, 2015 9:46:15 GMT -6
I love the Dollar Shave Club commercials...They are fantastic. Steven should go this route. So - as far as the mic. I'm sure they fought with whether or not to require a box that used its own dsp or if it was done all in the box. This was probably the smarter route because it allows people to get into the system cheaper. $1k is a lot easier for me to consider opposed to $2k. stevenslate - a couple of questions. So - the processing is done all with the plug and not in the pre, right? This is just a super clean mic and pre? So could I choose to use my own mic and just use the pre/emulation? Will there be one with dsp? Any mic/pre can be used, right - I imagine once the emu is applied, you could get some interesting sounds...hey - if it sounds good, it sounds good, right? As someone posted above - for those of us not using software monitoring, we can just record the Slate mic/pre and add the plug post?
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 4, 2015 9:48:44 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 4, 2015 9:59:21 GMT -6
You can definitely use your own preamp if you want, I know that much.
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Post by jazznoise on Nov 4, 2015 10:11:17 GMT -6
That was amazing. I want those blades..except I'm attempting Movember. Is that a thing in America?
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Post by jimwilliams on Nov 4, 2015 10:31:24 GMT -6
It is in the Mideast. Not so much around here. To most it's an excuse to be lazy.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 4, 2015 14:19:23 GMT -6
Very true...
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 8, 2015 17:42:25 GMT -6
To be true. I dont care a single second about mic and micpre modelling...
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Post by Ward on Nov 8, 2015 20:15:42 GMT -6
To be true. I dont care a single second about mic and micpre modelling... To be quite frank, neither do I.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 9, 2015 8:40:58 GMT -6
Hi guys, thanks for the continued discussion on VMS. I'm here to answer any questions. Cheers, Steven Hey Steven...remember us?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 9, 2015 8:44:49 GMT -6
That's an impressive endorsement coming from Syra. He's a serious dude whom I trust on GS. One of the few.
Lemme get my paws on one of these Stevie baby...
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Post by category5 on Nov 9, 2015 8:54:17 GMT -6
That's an impressive endorsement coming from Syra. He's a serious dude whom I trust on GS. One of the few. Lemme get my paws on one of these Stevie baby... Agreed. It's our first instinct to assume this just can't be done, mostly because in the past wild claims have been made with lackluster results, but technically what this attempts to do is completely feasible with the right attention to detail. Sure it will improve and evolve over time, but if the goal is to get a variety of top-shelf sounds in the box for a grand I see no reason to be skeptical. Steven and Fabrice are the guys I'd expect to get it right first. Many of us might not need or even want a product like this, but it's important because it paves the way for the next wave of technology that will bridge the gap between what can be done on a budget and results we typically associate with high dollar studios. With the pre-fab music the labels are forcing on the public these days, empowering creative musicians with tools like this can only be a good thing.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 9, 2015 9:12:40 GMT -6
gear like time moves on:meaning at some point software modelling will get good enough. Maybe that time is now. Yeah, no doubt, you can tell the time is upon us by how all the microphones, compressors, eq's, preamps, consoles.... etc, etc, etc, and MIXES have surpassed the quality of the old stuff 8) as of now, you could dedicate the entire processing power of a macpro to modeling a mic, and it aint gonna be anymore than video game close, I give it a year after release, after the initial orgiastic buyers confirmation biasfest 2000, everyone will start complaining about how "slate pulled a fast one", it'll be far worse than the over hype around the Apollo.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 9, 2015 9:35:08 GMT -6
Amen to that Cat5. I also agree that it will take a while to sort itself out before we can make reasonable assessment of how good and how useful it will be.
For a singer/songwriter like me, it could have been a godsend three years back, but now, I'll most likely wait this one out until the new product glow wears down a little.
In my guts, I still want the real thing in my hand if I can get it, but this may prove to be a highly valuable tool.
Slate's track record is kind of 50/50 when it comes to the hype equaling the product.
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