|
Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 30, 2017 10:01:30 GMT -6
What are you guys liking? Hearback? Behringer? Furman? Aviom?
|
|
rjuly
New Member
Posts: 5
|
Post by rjuly on Sept 30, 2017 10:13:41 GMT -6
Hearback for me with four remotes. Hasn't let me down yet. - Richard
|
|
|
Post by keymod on Sept 30, 2017 10:41:12 GMT -6
I just started getting my Behringer system hooked up and running. Seems really nice. FYI, Redco is coming out soon with something similar which they might be showing at AES.
|
|
|
Post by notneeson on Sept 30, 2017 10:43:15 GMT -6
Hearback can sound OK, or really terrible if the talent grabs the limiter on accident. I like the old Furman system better for sound and it's a little more client-proof.
|
|
|
Post by Johnkenn on Sept 30, 2017 11:00:06 GMT -6
I've had Hearback for years. It works without flaw...
|
|
|
Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 30, 2017 12:19:48 GMT -6
I like the idea of the Furman because it's very simple and the least expensive, but worry about it being older and breaking down.
|
|
|
Post by Quint on Sept 30, 2017 12:35:30 GMT -6
|
|
|
Post by johneppstein on Sept 30, 2017 15:50:47 GMT -6
Looks really cool! Not excessively costly, either. The only thing I don't understand though is why it has 8 monitor mixes but only 6 phones outputs.....
|
|
|
Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 30, 2017 17:30:45 GMT -6
I like this thing in theory, but I see a couple issue. 1. The client needs to install the app on their phone (which some dudes might not even have). 2. The bigger issue...their phone will always be around them. Texts coming in. Instagram notifications. GF's snapchatting nudes at them trying to convince them to head home. I was phones out of sight as much as possible and could see this being a major issue. The fact that it would tie into my 24AI nicely though at least makes me stop and think.
|
|
|
Post by mulmany on Sept 30, 2017 17:52:53 GMT -6
You don't need an app, just a browser. I would buy a few used iPod touch and stand mounts.
|
|
|
Post by Quint on Sept 30, 2017 18:17:20 GMT -6
You don't need an app, just a browser. I would buy a few used iPod touch and stand mounts. Exactly. No app necessary. And if outside communication is a concern, buying a few used phones on Craigslist (no service provider necessary, as all connections are over WiFi) is still a lot cheaper than the alternatives like Furman or whatever. Not to mention that the Motu also offers real-time fx for musicians for monitoring, where as the other alternatives do not. There are a lot of pros to the Motu, especially if your using some of their other converters as your main I/O. Motu upped their game big time when they came out with their latest round of products.
|
|
|
Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 30, 2017 19:14:25 GMT -6
I like this thing in theory, but I see a couple issue. 1. The client needs to install the app on their phone (which some dudes might not even have). 2. The bigger issue...their phone will always be around them. Texts coming in. Instagram notifications. GF's snapchatting nudes at them trying to convince them to head home. I was phones out of sight as much as possible and could see this being a major issue. The fact that it would tie into my 24AI nicely though at least makes me stop and think. What if you get to see the nudes? 😂 I suggest hear back maybe more pricey but it’s a proven reliable solution, just no nudes 😱🤠
|
|
|
Post by Quint on Sept 30, 2017 20:18:18 GMT -6
I like this thing in theory, but I see a couple issue. 1. The client needs to install the app on their phone (which some dudes might not even have). 2. The bigger issue...their phone will always be around them. Texts coming in. Instagram notifications. GF's snapchatting nudes at them trying to convince them to head home. I was phones out of sight as much as possible and could see this being a major issue. The fact that it would tie into my 24AI nicely though at least makes me stop and think. What if you get to see the nudes? 😂 I suggest hear back maybe more pricey but it’s a proven reliable solution, just no nudes 😱🤠 What are the pros of Hearback over the Motu? I don't see any.
|
|
|
Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 30, 2017 20:44:32 GMT -6
Not having to worry about a charged battery on the controllers, or OS updates with the controllers/computer.
I do idke the idea of adding 8 in with the unit though. I just wish motu had an easy solution to get a 32x32 system (I guess a pair of 16a's would be the move). I've got this 24io now, but really want to be 32x32 (which is the max PT vanilla will handle right?).
|
|
ericn
Temp
Balance Engineer
Posts: 14,961
|
Post by ericn on Sept 30, 2017 20:56:20 GMT -6
Old monitor guy hate these, musicians just turn things up till very nasty been there done that! They worked great for Genisis live, with a monitor engineer mixing stems!
|
|
|
Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 30, 2017 22:36:58 GMT -6
Yeah vanilla limits to 32 I/o
|
|
|
Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 1, 2017 3:24:33 GMT -6
Old monitor guy hate these, musicians just turn things up till very nasty been there done that! They worked great for Genisis live, with a monitor engineer mixing stems! Sounds about right. I hate the concept. I control monitors live all the time and was planning to run them from the console in the studio. I chatted with a few artists that I work with and they love these things and said they're a must have. I'm still on the fence.
|
|
|
Post by Quint on Oct 1, 2017 5:41:22 GMT -6
Not having to worry about a charged battery on the controllers, or OS updates with the controllers/computer. I do idke the idea of adding 8 in with the unit though. I just wish motu had an easy solution to get a 32x32 system (I guess a pair of 16a's would be the move). I've got this 24io now, but really want to be 32x32 (which is the max PT vanilla will handle right?). Is the charging thing really that big of a deal? Once things are set how the user likes, how much is the phone even going to need to be used after that? And remember, everything can be controlled from ANY browser. If for any reason you can't (dead phone, for example) or don't want to allow control over monitor mixes by the musicians, you can still always control it as the engineer from a browser at the mix position.
|
|
|
Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 1, 2017 6:24:05 GMT -6
The Furman system seems really simple and straightforward, super easy for the musicians to grasp and now screw up, but it looks like the remotes are daisy chained together? This seems like a problem if I want a couple mixers in the live room and also have mixers in the iso booths. Quint, how many outputs from pro tools is this system using/providing? Could I use this box during tracking for my headphone outs then feeding my console during mixing? How many outs to the console would it provide?
|
|
ericn
Temp
Balance Engineer
Posts: 14,961
|
Post by ericn on Oct 1, 2017 6:33:25 GMT -6
Not having to worry about a charged battery on the controllers, or OS updates with the controllers/computer. I do idke the idea of adding 8 in with the unit though. I just wish motu had an easy solution to get a 32x32 system (I guess a pair of 16a's would be the move). I've got this 24io now, but really want to be 32x32 (which is the max PT vanilla will handle right?). Is the charging thing really that big of a deal? Once things are set how the user likes, how much is the phone even going to need to be used after that? And remember, everything can be controlled from ANY browser. If for any reason you can't (dead phone, for example) or don't want to allow control over monitor mixes by the musicians, you can still always control it as the engineer from a browser at the mix position. Artists like to fiddle around with these things, how often has an artist blamed the headphone mix ? Well now they just try to mix it right themselves and never get it quite right! My old boss came out with one of the earliest of theses systems called the studio sychologist, After the first session with one I said "I get it after using one of these I need to see a shrink"! Most musicians don't understand gain structure or how to build a mix, every thing is built on turning up, that leads to early ear fatigue! I have had to deal with these systems for years and the only way to make them work well is to spend more time building better submixes than you would spend mixing traditional headphones!
|
|
|
Post by mdmitch2 on Oct 1, 2017 6:55:57 GMT -6
I like the idea of the Furman because it's very simple and the least expensive, but worry about it being older and breaking down. I had the furman.. but it was old and broke down.
|
|
|
Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 1, 2017 7:27:42 GMT -6
I like the idea of the Furman because it's very simple and the least expensive, but worry about it being older and breaking down. I had the furman.. but it was old and broke down. What ya got now? I had a couple guys tell me the hearback is junk too. Seems like they all have downfalls except the super expensive.
|
|
|
Post by keymod on Oct 1, 2017 8:00:22 GMT -6
Jesse, does your board have a matrix?
|
|
|
Post by swurveman on Oct 1, 2017 9:06:15 GMT -6
I'm still using my old Art 4 channel headphone amp. If I was going to buy one today, I'd buy a headphone amp with four stereo inputs. I'd control customized mix levels to the musicians via RME's Totalmix mixer which would give me 4 seperate outs that I could customize for 4 different musician mixes.
|
|
|
Post by nnajar on Oct 1, 2017 9:17:45 GMT -6
I have a presonus hp60 which allows two separate stereo mixes. My prism titan has a headphone amp as well so that gives me a total of 3 separate stereo cue mixes available (no TB on that 3rd mix though). I make all my mixes in HDX and don't give the musicians control. They ask for changes and they get changes, but this way the mixes don't get screwed up. I don't like the individual mixers for musicians because most guys just make a mess out of their cues and it can and sometimes does affect their performances. Seasoned guys who do a lot of studio work tend to be better of course. I do a lot of jazz dates and jazz musicians tend to have a real difficult time with those boxes, it it really will screw up their performsnces. I'd like a few more dedicated stereo cues, but I haven't found an elegant solution for that yet and I haven't had a problem yet with only having 3 cues...
|
|