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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 23:37:49 GMT -6
Oh ya. This is good.
Just an hour with these and I hate my main monitors. The midrange on these seems really flat to me. Now I can't say that on a graph, my description would make sense. What I can say is that the reproduced range is so tight that there isn't much room for anything that shouldn't be there and if something is there, like low mid boominess, it sticks out like a sore thumb. They give you a nice, even, mid range tone. I thought they'd be a bit more hifi and I am glad they are not... simple a mid range focused tool.
I always keep a reference track in each project so I can flip back and forth quickly and ja ja ja, I know the whole thing about mastered tracks, ja ja ja, but I am talking about tonality, using the reference to get an idea of the healthy range of a guitar track and in just a minute BAM, I knew where my flaw was and it was a bit more than a simple high pass.
This is going to be fun.
Anyone else use them or hate them?
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Post by Guitar on Jan 17, 2014 0:45:07 GMT -6
It's a valuable tool for me also, along with my small computer speakers. In a long, serious mixdown I can lose focus, and switching the main monitors to these little small band-limited things can quickly point things out to me that I can adjust in mere moments, that I was missing on the big monitors.
I don't use them a lot for general listening, though, only in long mix sessions, it seems like.
Seems like a better alternative to going out to the car stereo, or the living room hi-fi. Just do it in the same room.
I agree about the mid range focus being very useful, especially for setting levels, and checking that everything important in the mix can be heard in the most rudimentary way. I do think it's a pretty good real-world check, comparing to laptop computers, cheap earbuds, cheap car stereos that people listen on. Things that aren't the most full range anyway, that people still use for music.
I am also really pleased by its weird cool sound, in a way. It's kind of fun to hear your fancy gear going through this little boxy sounding box, no crossovers or stereo field. Mine is running in mono, as recommended by Mike Senior. Super basic sound.
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Post by keymod on Jan 17, 2014 5:30:06 GMT -6
I bought a pair a while back. Haven't used them a whole lot yet - haven't had much studio-use time lately. I do remember reading that they may need a "break-in" period. Have you other users found this to be true? Has their usability improved as the drivers have been worked over a bit? monkeyxx, do you use two boxes in mono, or just a single?
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Post by svart on Jan 17, 2014 7:48:10 GMT -6
I swear by the old Auratones. I couldn't be without them now. What they do is allow me to hear the midrange problems that don't show up very well on a 2-way system due to the crossover point. If something doesn't jive on a speaker somewhere, I check again with the auratones and BAM, I've found it. Mix fixed.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 17, 2014 8:43:58 GMT -6
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Post by watchtower on Jan 17, 2014 9:22:30 GMT -6
Great. Now I'm lusting for a single Active MixCube
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 17, 2014 9:32:48 GMT -6
Do you only need one?
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Post by watchtower on Jan 17, 2014 9:36:11 GMT -6
If you're planning to use them in Mono you only need one
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 17, 2014 9:38:02 GMT -6
People use them in mono?
Apparently, I have much to learn when using Aura/Avan/Behritones...
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Post by svart on Jan 17, 2014 10:07:38 GMT -6
People do use them as mono. I use mine as stereo. I suppose it's all in what you want/need.
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Post by svart on Jan 17, 2014 10:18:18 GMT -6
They do go into good detail why one is better than the other. The main reason I LOVE my old auratones is exactly how the author put it, when the midrange is cluttered, they exaggerate it like none other. When it's good, they show it. When the EQ is bad, they get really strident and nasal. When it's good, they actually start sounding decent. I've never had a monitor do this thing quite like this. NS10s start to come close in some aspects, but not to this degree.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2014 13:21:33 GMT -6
If you have two, you can always switch on off at some point and turn the volume down low to double check masking. That is a UBK described trick.
Having both gives a bit more flexibility doesn't keep you from u sing just one.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 17, 2014 14:57:11 GMT -6
I bought a pair a while back. Haven't used them a whole lot yet - haven't had much studio-use time lately. I do remember reading that they may need a "break-in" period. Have you other users found this to be true? Has their usability improved as the drivers have been worked over a bit? monkeyxx, do you use two boxes in mono, or just a single? I wouldn't be surprised if they loosened up after a little break in, I never noticed it though with mine. I use a single one in mono. I built a little summing cable to do this, it's just two resistors I think, they fit inside my 1/4" connector on one end of the cable. I wouldn't mind having two, I guess. I see guys like Dave Pensado that just stack them right side by side, that's basically mono anyway.
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Post by winetree on Jan 17, 2014 16:22:29 GMT -6
I've had 2 pair of original Aurtones since 1981. They were the had-to-have speaker and are still one of the sets in the main control room. You'd put the control room master module in Mono and mute one speaker to check your mono T.V. mix. and also stereo boom box mixes, and still do. In the Protools room, again one of the pairs, have them hooked up to a sub woofer. (picture in "what speakers are you using" post) Nobody can believe that it's the Auratones playing. Great little reference speaker.
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Post by LesC on Jan 18, 2014 18:46:27 GMT -6
I use a single Avantone, in mono of course. The sound is surprisingly similar to my Rock II's, it just sounds like the bass and treble have been cutoff. The lack of crossover and stereo really makes some problems easier to identify.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 8:17:30 GMT -6
I still am amazed at these things.
With them, I found a problem in a mix that I didn't hear with my main monitors. They highlighted a distortion and helped hone in on it since the top and bottom are rolled off.
So glad someone told me about them.
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Post by Ward on Aug 21, 2014 9:21:00 GMT -6
Two things...
MONO[/u] ... not the dreaded high school kissing disease, the dreaded single source audio when we live in a stereo world. Don't you all have a 'sum to mono' button on your consoles/HUIs/Summing mixers etc? So, you can use two in a stereo setup and still be able to switch back to mono listening with a push of a button or a flick of a switch!
Consumer Audio Are the new avantones good for giving you an accurate reference to what your mixes will sound like on computer speakers, built in laptop speakers, ear buds and the average car audio system?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 9:38:23 GMT -6
Well, no console here.... yet... but yes, all DAW's I use have a mono button. I do use it but need to use it more.
I think they do the consumer thing ok but I STILL like hearing my MacBookPro speakers and my apple buds. Between those references, I don't have to get up or go to the car. The the MBP speakers and buds are a last check, not my actively mixing choice.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 21, 2014 10:42:37 GMT -6
People use them in mono? Apparently, I have much to learn when using Aura/Avan/Behritones... Yes John but only for half your mix !
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Post by jfoc on Aug 21, 2014 13:21:34 GMT -6
Looks like they have some interesting products coming down the line. Little Abbey, Mix Tower, & Abbey Mix tower has a Mix cube built in. Im interested in the Abbey which looks like a poor mans barefoot..
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Post by donr on Aug 21, 2014 14:34:02 GMT -6
I've got a set of small Yamaha computer speakers I bought in Edmonton about 15 years ago that I mix on primarily.
But I have recently benefited from the info here reminding me of the virtue of mono monitoring, and thanks to smallbutfine for turning me onto the beyerdyamic virtual studio plugin, which with headphones I've found useful even for eq decisions.
I've got the focusrite VRM, but you must use it as your audio engine, and it only goes to 48kHz, so I wind up never using it except to check a finished track.
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Post by lpedrum on Aug 22, 2014 15:16:53 GMT -6
I have a Behritone clone set up for mono. Sometimes I'll be mixing with a vocalist that is a little concerned that maybe I'm not setting their vocal hot enough. Ever been there? So I click on the Behritone and say "There's your vocal!"
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