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Post by EmRR on Aug 26, 2017 7:29:34 GMT -6
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Aug 26, 2017 8:03:01 GMT -6
ugh, can I have those 3 minutes back after reading that garbage?
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Post by EmRR on Aug 26, 2017 8:26:11 GMT -6
ugh, can I have those 3 minutes back after reading that garbage? Nope! Gotya! I agree with them. Buy some damn hardware if you want to look at hardware, let the computer do it's job. |
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 26, 2017 13:05:48 GMT -6
ugh, can I have those 3 minutes back after reading that garbage? Nope! Gotya! I agree with them. Buy some damn hardware if you want to look at hardware, let the computer do it's job. O disagree - if there's anything I hate it's having my brain yanked forcibly into "computer mode" when I'm trying to do audio. I find the graphic much easier to navigate than a morass of nestewd menus =- or evenm a lost of functions in teeny-tiny print. It's pretty obvious that the pundit who wrote that is just another techie putting down audio people, not a real audio guy himself. That being said, some companies do go way overboard, and pretty pictures of classic gear don't impress me. I thought Reason's interface was sheer genius - it got a lot of people into using the program quickly who would otherwise have been totally flummoxed by it. |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 26, 2017 13:25:08 GMT -6
I find anything with a VU meter egregious, generally useless for the task at hand and with an additional layer of vagueness that goes far beyond that which a real VU inherently has. And this stuff drags computing performance down. How many times do we get a shitty VU when a much simpler bar meter would impact processing less and give more information? Lots, I say. I'm not saying it should all be 'computer mode', but the video game porn aspects the article addresses do impact processing power negatively. Simple effective graphics is my takeaway from that article.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 13:41:45 GMT -6
I hate analogue bling on digital plugs. It is why I love things like Valhalla DSP (designed for a digital interface) or AirWindows (no built in interface) so much. I've got racks of hardware knobs if I want to look and twiddle, I don't need to see it on screen when it serves zero purpose, looks fugly, and detracts from the work etc.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 26, 2017 15:53:40 GMT -6
I find anything with a VU meter egregious, generally useless for the task at hand and with an additional layer of vagueness that goes far beyond that which a real VU inherently has. And this stuff drags computing performance down. How many times do we get a shitty VU when a much simpler bar meter would impact processing less and give more information? Lots, I say. I'm not saying it should all be 'computer mode', but the video game porn aspects the article addresses do impact processing power negatively. Simple effective graphics is my takeaway from that article. Exactly. I believe that following standard layouts that are widely known is a good thing in terms of familiarity but gratuitous, resource wasting art work is an expensive, inefficient indulgence. |
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 26, 2017 15:57:42 GMT -6
I hate analogue bling on digital plugs. It is why I love things like Valhalla DSP (designed for a digital interface) or AirWindows (no built in interface) so much. I've got racks of hardware knobs if I want to look and twiddle, I don't need to see it on screen when it serves zero purpose, looks fugly, and detracts from the work etc. I hate onscreen lists and menus. They're hard (for me) to read and impossible to remember my place in. OTOH, an option to turn off graphics would probably be a good thing. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 26, 2017 16:49:20 GMT -6
I submit Valhalla Plugins...
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Post by viciousbliss on Aug 27, 2017 0:32:03 GMT -6
I like nice UIs, but I like preserving cpu even more.
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 27, 2017 5:11:09 GMT -6
My favourite plugins are the ones that aren't "cartoon" versions of the actual hardware.
It's obvious why UAD for example make picture perfect GUI's - it's marketing - look you now have the hardware, well actually you don't but you can pretend you do.
It's the plugin = of dancing around the house in your knickers singing into a cucumber pretending your Madonna.
My list of top plugins with the lowest GUI cognitive load are,
1. TC Electronic system 6000 plugins - TC got the GUI spot on for me with these plugins (also on Powercore)
TC approach was let digital be digital.
2. DMG Equilibrium - I use this EQ with just text input, no knobs, no meters, no anything - Dave Gamble is a clever man
he allowed the plugin GUI customisation to be totally flexible and reduced to as little as just text input for the EQ parameters.
I wish ALL plugins would follow his lead.
3. Fabfilter plugins also have stunningly good and functional GUI's.
4. Sonoris Mastering Compressor - brilliant ultra simple functional GUI and imho the best Mastering compressor out there - up there with a Weiss for transparant
highly controllable mastering quality compression in a digital format - expensive but well worth it.
5. Softube Console 1 hardware/software also seems to be a shift in the right direction.
All my other plugins by UAD, Relab LX480, Slate, Softube etc are of the "cartoon" hardware type
I put up with them because they do sound great, but of how I wish they had GUI's like TC, Fabfilter or DMG.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 27, 2017 18:39:40 GMT -6
I INTENSELY dislike plugins with only text/numerical input because, IMO, it's unmusical and forces me to think in a pseudoscientific numerical mode that is the antithesis of working artistically, by ear. and after a couple or three times through of guessing at the numbers I've pretty much lost my refertence for what I was attempting to achieve.
I hate those beginner's "These are the frequenct ranges of the instruments" bullshytte charts for the same reason. It fosters an unmusical way of regarding/interacting with the art.
You can't tune a numerical interface like a radio.
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Post by iamasound on Aug 28, 2017 2:23:19 GMT -6
Gosh, after all the accumulated years experience combined between all of you audio cats and kittens out here on this board, you'all still don't understand that the more realistic the GUI the sweeter the sound of the plugin. Really, folks, you need to educate yourselves.
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 28, 2017 6:08:19 GMT -6
.... that is the antithesis of working artistically, by ear. and after a couple or three times through of guessing at the numbers I've pretty much lost my refertence for what I was attempting to achieve. You can't tune a numerical interface like a radio. Ah ha you're an "EQ Sweeper/Tuner" .... and nothing wrong with that John, we all work different ways. When I listen to a track or mix there's no guessing, in my minds ear I know almost exactly the frequency, gain and Q bandwidth I want. I've worked with some other great engineers and ME's who work like me, therefore the simpler the GUI (text enter) the better for me. (It's the same with writing and arranging, I've always found it quickest and most convenient to work directly in my head - minds ear so to speak) A great plugin should have a custom GUI so that all different workflows can be accommodated. This is why I love DMG plugins, for those like me that work in their head there is the text enter ultra simple GUI and for other approaches there's drag points, knobs, slider .... it's great to have options. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 6:21:10 GMT -6
I always use EQuilibrium with no bling too.
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Post by ericn on Aug 28, 2017 10:06:35 GMT -6
Gosh, after all the accumulated years experience combined between all of you audio cats and kittens out here on this board, you'all still don't understand that the more realistic the GUI the sweeter the sound of the plugin. Really, folks, you need to educate yourselves. It do sell plugins! |
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Post by iamasound on Aug 28, 2017 14:39:17 GMT -6
That it do!
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Post by donr on Aug 28, 2017 17:27:51 GMT -6
Waves' Signature Series UI's are almost purposely garish and confusing. Even the staightforward plugs are dense a lot of times. Not all Waves are that way. RVox, RBass and L1 are fine.
Valhalla's GUI is logical and informative. The control positions on presets give you a good idea of why the preset sounds the way it does. Fab Filters UI is powerful and informative. Slate's VTM isn't bad either, after you hide the reels. Add a star to any plugin that has a constant gain listening option.
I have a hard time with Apple's AU and Airwindows' plain horizontal slider interface. Hard to get a feel for the 'box' the plugin is trying to be. I can't imagine a Pultec EQ plugin, for instance, with horizontal faders for the pots and detented switches. I wouldn't know what to do with it.
I will say, the more faithful the GUI to the original hardware, the better it sounds. : ) I still like pretending I'm patching in real gear with plug ins.
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