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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 14:27:27 GMT -6
I do love my Coax monitors, has anyone had experience with them? Supposed to be a true high end monitoring solution.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 15, 2017 15:38:29 GMT -6
I do love my Coax monitors, has anyone had experience with them? Supposed to be a true high end monitoring solution. Kii three is powered and features similar cardioid bass response of the i series Geithain's... Never heard either however both have lots of hype at another forum.. I mention the kii due to price point and forgitnyou maybe in Europe where the Geithain may be even more favorably priced ..
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 15, 2017 16:25:39 GMT -6
I do love my Coax monitors, has anyone had experience with them? Supposed to be a true high end monitoring solution. Kii three is powered and features similar cardioid bass response of the i series Geithain's... Never heard either however both have lots of hype at another forum.. I mention the kii due to price point and forgitnyou maybe in Europe where the Geithain may be even more favorably priced .. Hard to get in the USA workd on RL 906 very nice soundstage super wide sweetspot. Was about to buy them myself and I refused becasue they did sound too good to be true, they are super accurate monitors and no consumer has something like this at home, and thats where in my opinion the probelm starts. I get lazy on them with the width and depth thing. But I never get lazy on my GENELECs 8040 with all the phase issues they have. Or maybe its just I know the Genelecs for over a decade now. Who knows. If you buy them you get monitors from a small EX GDR East-German company which do thier thing with tons of passion. The Geithains are very popular in our public broadcast service. I think you cant go wrong, if you like them is something diffrent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 16:32:45 GMT -6
I do love my Coax monitors, has anyone had experience with them? Supposed to be a true high end monitoring solution. Kii three is powered and features similar cardioid bass response of the i series Geithain's... Never heard either however both have lots of hype at another forum.. I mention the kii due to price point and forgitnyou maybe in Europe where the Geithain may be even more favorably priced .. The RL906's (powered) come in about 3K USD when converting our monopoly money to yours.. Never heard of the Kii's, thanks I will check them out. Not sure if this is all getting out of hand though, I was quite interested in some Presonus Sceptre's that then went from £1000.00 to £1500.00 because I like the Adam A77X's which is now going to a £2.6K pair of silly monitors.. The RL906's only have a 50hz bass response which is something I need to be aware of..! I refuse to spend more than 3K so that's the rest of Geithain's monitors out of the quest. The best pair of monitors I've ever owned is the Event Opals, now people keep saying the Geithain's and the Adam S2X's "CRUSH" the Adam A77X's (and the Opals).. Which really can they be that much better? This is turning into the whole SSL desk saga again, it's not worth buying anything if you get tinnitus from your partner ..
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 15, 2017 18:41:04 GMT -6
Kii three is powered and features similar cardioid bass response of the i series Geithain's... Never heard either however both have lots of hype at another forum.. I mention the kii due to price point and forgitnyou maybe in Europe where the Geithain may be even more favorably priced .. The RL906's (powered) come in about 3K USD when converting our monopoly money to yours.. Never heard of the Kii's, thanks I will check them out. Not sure if this is all getting out of hand though, I was quite interested in some Presonus Sceptre's that then went from £1000.00 to £1500.00 because I like the Adam A77X's which is now going to a £2.6K pair of silly monitors.. The RL906's only have a 50hz bass response which is something I need to be aware of..! I refuse to spend more than 3K so that's the rest of Geithain's monitors out of the quest. The best pair of monitors I've ever owned is the Event Opals, now people keep saying the Geithain's and the Adam S2X's "CRUSH" the Adam A77X's (and the Opals).. Which really can they be that much better? This is turning into the whole SSL desk saga again, it's not worth buying anything if you get tinnitus from your partner .. For some reason I thought the Geithain was more expensive like around 8-10k for a pair so that's why I mentioned the kii three however the Kii are def almost $10k a pair ... I apologize for throwing out an errant suggestion, I should have dug a little info out on the rl 906.. Anyway not sure what country you are in but Genekec are crazy low priced in Europe compared to USA so that would be my rec for Europe but US I would recommend maybe used pairs of the usual suspects like you mentioned ( Adams etc ) however look at Tyler acoustics if resale is not an issue for you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 20:14:31 GMT -6
The RL906's (powered) come in about 3K USD when converting our monopoly money to yours.. Never heard of the Kii's, thanks I will check them out. Not sure if this is all getting out of hand though, I was quite interested in some Presonus Sceptre's that then went from £1000.00 to £1500.00 because I like the Adam A77X's which is now going to a £2.6K pair of silly monitors.. The RL906's only have a 50hz bass response which is something I need to be aware of..! I refuse to spend more than 3K so that's the rest of Geithain's monitors out of the quest. The best pair of monitors I've ever owned is the Event Opals, now people keep saying the Geithain's and the Adam S2X's "CRUSH" the Adam A77X's (and the Opals).. Which really can they be that much better? This is turning into the whole SSL desk saga again, it's not worth buying anything if you get tinnitus from your partner .. For some reason I thought the Geithain was more expensive like around 8-10k for a pair so that's why I mentioned the kii three however the Kii are def almost $10k a pair ... I apologize for throwing out an errant suggestion, I should have dug a little info out on the rl 906.. Anyway not sure what country you are in but Genekec are crazy low priced in Europe compared to USA so that would be my rec for Europe but US I would recommend maybe used pairs of the usual suspects like you mentioned ( Adams etc ) however look at Tyler acoustics if resale is not an issue for you. It's cool, but when I used a site to convert it to USD they weighed in at $3.4K.. Which that isn't cheap right? Unless I'm not gear snobbish enough? , I've actually bought cars for that sort of money.. A lot more goes into a car than a set of speakers .! Genelec's are the number one go to for rock / metal mixers in Europe, spent plenty of time with them.. Not my personal favourites although "useable", I'd take them over a pair of Focals anyday. I am ultimatley looking for a specific type of monitor, coax usually covers every basis. I'm not sure if many people have used them here but they are like no other monitor, it's like 3D surround sound as such.. It is hard to describe, but imagine a band in front of you where you can hear the hi-hat to one side, the kick down the middle etc.. That's how coax presents it's sound stage, you can pick individual instruments out in their own frequency spaces that have been panned slightly off centre.. It's eerie.. mrholmes is bang on the money, you can listen back on another general playback system and your mixes can sound narrow.. Sometimes it's because you're fooled into believing that the mix is too wide, other times it's because I suppose you can get lazy .. So ultimatley you want a system with enough stereo imaging to seperate instruments to work on and balance the imaging, but you don't want it so wide that it comes back to bite you. One thing that did concern me and I'm not sure if this applies to all coax's, I used Slate FGX in pro tools and I recon it was either FGX or PT causing latency / phase issues.. Anyway the stereo field had somewhat collapsed and because the field was so wide with the monitors I couldn't really tell. I can't say on the Equators I got mixes to translate that well, going forward I'll probably get some Adams or something for my nearfield mains and pick up a set of coax's later as a B pair. As much as coax's are impressive, we all know that impressive doesn't always mean useful.. If the Geithain's are truly reliable for translation and not just wide and impressive, then it might be the way to go. If I can't demo a pair, it won't matter anyway..
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 15, 2017 21:23:42 GMT -6
I can't say on the Equators I got mixes to translate that well, going forward I'll probably get some Adams or something for my nearfield mains and pick up a set of coax's later as a B pair. As much as coax's are impressive, we all know that impressive doesn't always mean useful.. Which Equators?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 3:41:28 GMT -6
I can't say on the Equators I got mixes to translate that well, going forward I'll probably get some Adams or something for my nearfield mains and pick up a set of coax's later as a B pair. As much as coax's are impressive, we all know that impressive doesn't always mean useful.. Which Equators? Equator D5's..
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 16, 2017 4:43:06 GMT -6
I have a pair of those and a pair of Q8s... The D5s have a lot of detail but they're really bass shy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 5:01:12 GMT -6
I have a pair of those and a pair of Q8s... The D5s have a lot of detail but they're really bass shy. Aye and that's exactly where I had trouble most of the time, the low end.. Thanks for that, you might of made my decision for me .
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 16, 2017 7:28:14 GMT -6
I have a pair of those and a pair of Q8s... The D5s have a lot of detail but they're really bass shy. Aye and that's exactly where I had trouble most of the time, the low end.. Thanks for that, you might of made my decision for me . Didn't you have a budget of like $700 for your entire rig last week?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 7:47:39 GMT -6
Aye and that's exactly where I had trouble most of the time, the low end.. Thanks for that, you might of made my decision for me . Didn't you have a budget of like $700 for your entire rig last week? That's the budget I set myself, not what I can actually afford.. I've not been doing much in the way of music over the last couple of years, I sung over a short demo like three years ago and then left it at that. I've done a lot of thinking lately, ultimatley it came down to commit or quit.. Also factoring in that I don't necessarily believe "gear" in a few places is the most important part, although mic's and monitors are two places you just can't skimp on (even though I do try). Also I'm moving into bigger premises at some point, so I can effectively take advantage of a decent monitoring solution. Plus I'm already like 3K over the budget at this point, what's another 3?
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 16, 2017 11:09:04 GMT -6
Check out The dynaudio or the unity audio pebble and bam bam combo! I have done work on the unity audio and they are fabulous monitors. Some of their line has ribbon tweet some soft dome so it's up to you! They are located in europe and ray to deal with from what others have said! Check out the rock as well, very very nice monitors . Also in your budget 😀
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 11:32:34 GMT -6
Check out The dynaudio or the unity audio pebble and bam bam combo! I have done work on the unity audio and they are fabulous monitors. Some of their line has ribbon tweet some soft dome so it's up to you! They are located in europe and ray to deal with from what others have said! Check out the rock as well, very very nice monitors . Also in your budget 😀 Which Dynaudio's chase? Been looking at the LYD48's..
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 16, 2017 18:08:22 GMT -6
Check out The dynaudio or the unity audio pebble and bam bam combo! I have done work on the unity audio and they are fabulous monitors. Some of their line has ribbon tweet some soft dome so it's up to you! They are located in europe and ray to deal with from what others have said! Check out the rock as well, very very nice monitors . Also in your budget 😀 Which Dynaudio's chase? Been looking at the LYD48's.. Yes those are the ones. Ragan was speaking highly of compared to the Adam a77x and he has good ears. I prefer the a7x over their bigger brother, however I prefer the hs8 over them both 😱 And waiting to get my Barefoot FootPrint's back from Barefoot so I can tell you more about those! The unity audio are in UK no sleepers either 🤘
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 14:24:39 GMT -6
Well I have the ME Gethain's, all I can say so far is they must be made of dark matter to be so small yet so heavy..! If heavy is a sign of quality we're off to a good start .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 19:47:40 GMT -6
For anyone interested, these were initial thoughts after testing:
Initial impressions
Three of us (myself, partner and a friend / sound engineer) spent the day listening to all three of these coax monitors. The consistant theme across all of them is how the sound appeared directly in front of your face. It never sounded as though the speakers were relaying information L/R, surreal to people who had never heard it before.
All of them in their own right great monitors.
Equator D5 vs. ME Geithain
I went through my usual playlist of various metal / rock bands, from LOG to Scar Symmetry all the way over to AFI.. The one thing that stood out was the low end response of the Equator's, it seemed somewhat more accurate / representative of what every monitor I've heard from $250.00 to $4K gave me.
One thing that became immediatley apparent is the ME's needed a sub, apart from that the ME's honestly wiped the floor with the Equators. Better imaging, flatter / more neutral sounding revealing details I never even noticed on the Equators.. Once I'd become accustomed to the ME's the Equators sounded boxy and the mid range was somewhat veiled compared to ME's.
There was no real comparison here, the ME's were in a different league.
Fluid Audio FX8 vs. ME Gethain
Uhh, this is going to be a difficult topic. If I'd of never heard the FX8's, then it would be simple, the ME's would outright win across any monitor I've heard sub 2.5K..
I don't think the FX8's are good for their price, I don't think they're good monitors for 2K or 4K.. They are just damn great monitors, or that's what I would be saying if they didn't shoot themselves in the foot with compromises.
Talk about a david vs goliath battle, the FX's had a far better low frequency response whilst the ME's had better LMF response and clarity, they both sounded relatively neutral up to the point where the FX8's had too much HF information, although the FX8's had slightly better mid frequency accuracy and translation. If I could of notched the HF back a couple of dB on the FX8's then problem solved but oh wait, I can't because they didn't add this feature (it's a budget monitor of course).
The FX8's had a more stable phantom centre although the ME's had a massively wide sweet spot, the FX8's were bad enough that you could move your head to the side a couple of inches and all of a sudden imaging started to collapse, which is rather frustrating.
If you're looking at monitors sub 1K then add these to your bucket list to try out, IMO there's nothing I've tested from Focal, Sonodyne, Presonus, JBL, Genelec, Adam within their price range (and much higher) that outright beats them if you can live with their limitations.
If you're just looking for a great monitor irrelevant of price then I can't recommend the FX8's, too many compromises which the Gethain's simply do not have.
I'm almost annoyed at Fluid Audio, they weren't far off making one of the best budget monitors / or simply just monitors of the decade but they decided to cheap out and yes I have tried your FPX7's with the Adam style tweeter and they aren't better than the FX8's.. You had a mammoth and wrapped it in chains.
Let's see what the Dynaudio's bring to the table.
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 9, 2018 7:19:01 GMT -6
For anyone interested, these were initial thoughts after testing: Initial impressionsThree of us (myself, partner and a friend / sound engineer) spent the day listening to all three of these coax monitors. The consistant theme across all of them is how the sound appeared directly in front of your face. It never sounded as though the speakers were relaying information L/R, surreal to people who had never heard it before. All of them in their own right great monitors. Equator D5 vs. ME GeithainI went through my usual playlist of various metal / rock bands, from LOG to Scar Symmetry all the way over to AFI.. The one thing that stood out was the low end response of the Equator's, it seemed somewhat more accurate / representative of what every monitor I've heard from $250.00 to $4K gave me. One thing that became immediatley apparent is the ME's needed a sub, apart from that the ME's honestly wiped the floor with the Equators. Better imaging, flatter / more neutral sounding revealing details I never even noticed on the Equators.. Once I'd become accustomed to the ME's the Equators sounded boxy and the mid range was somewhat veiled compared to ME's. There was no real comparison here, the ME's were in a different league. Fluid Audio FX8 vs. ME GethainUhh, this is going to be a difficult topic. If I'd of never heard the FX8's, then it would be simple, the ME's would outright win across any monitor I've heard sub 2.5K.. I don't think the FX8's are good for their price, I don't think they're good monitors for 2K or 4K.. They are just damn great monitors, or that's what I would be saying if they didn't shoot themselves in the foot with compromises. Talk about a david vs goliath battle, the FX's had a far better low frequency response whilst the ME's had better LMF response and clarity, they both sounded relatively neutral up to the point where the FX8's had too much HF information, although the FX8's had slightly better mid frequency accuracy and translation. If I could of notched the HF back a couple of dB on the FX8's then problem solved but oh wait, I can't because they didn't add this feature (it's a budget monitor of course). The FX8's had a more stable phantom centre although the ME's had a massively wide sweet spot, the FX8's were bad enough that you could move your head to the side a couple of inches and all of a sudden imaging started to collapse, which is rather frustrating. If you're looking at monitors sub 1K then add these to your bucket list to try out, IMO there's nothing I've tested from Focal, Sonodyne, Presonus, JBL, Genelec, Adam within their price range (and much higher) that outright beats them if you can live with their limitations. If you're just looking for a great monitor irrelevant of price then I can't recommend the FX8's, too many compromises which the Gethain's simply do not have. I'm almost annoyed at Fluid Audio, they weren't far off making one of the best budget monitors / or simply just monitors of the decade but they decided to cheap out and yes I have tried your FPX7's with the Adam style tweeter and they aren't better than the FX8's.. You had a mammoth and wrapped it in chains. Let's see what the Dynaudio's bring to the table. A year has passed today a friend of the Geithain factory brought me two 906 to use in my own space. After 3 hours (with breaks) of AB listening I can say GENELEC builds crap monitors, the whole technical idea by Genelec is stupid.If you listen for 20 Minutes on the ME 906 (in you own studio) you can say that the iamging is near real live. Rooms open up the whole stage is there. As I wrote before...a super wide sweet spot you can bob your head with the beat and you wont notice any drastic change. The Base Reflex System of the GENELEC with the backport seems to be a bad idea, special if you have to place your monitors in corners. You always have some base differences between left and right and wonky base impulses. With the 906 you have strong bases with nice impulses and no left right base trouble at all becaue the base refelx ports are on top of the speaker. The 906 seems to be near 100% phase accurate. From 52 Hz to 20 khz its in direct AB yaw droping.I heard a lot of monitors but now I can say I feel sorry for our freinds in the USA that the ME Geithains are so hard to get. I now can say if you never heard a Geithain Monitor you never heard how good Studio-Monitoring can be. If you never had the joy of knowing how easy mix decissions can be becasue you can trust the monitors. In this case I feel sad for you.I go that far that all Monitors I worked with are expensive toys. I have a test drive time for 2 months. I am pretty sure I dont need longer than a week to swing the cash. Cheers MH
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Post by ericn on Apr 11, 2018 11:16:08 GMT -6
For anyone interested, these were initial thoughts after testing: Initial impressionsThree of us (myself, partner and a friend / sound engineer) spent the day listening to all three of these coax monitors. The consistant theme across all of them is how the sound appeared directly in front of your face. It never sounded as though the speakers were relaying information L/R, surreal to people who had never heard it before. All of them in their own right great monitors. Equator D5 vs. ME GeithainI went through my usual playlist of various metal / rock bands, from LOG to Scar Symmetry all the way over to AFI.. The one thing that stood out was the low end response of the Equator's, it seemed somewhat more accurate / representative of what every monitor I've heard from $250.00 to $4K gave me. One thing that became immediatley apparent is the ME's needed a sub, apart from that the ME's honestly wiped the floor with the Equators. Better imaging, flatter / more neutral sounding revealing details I never even noticed on the Equators.. Once I'd become accustomed to the ME's the Equators sounded boxy and the mid range was somewhat veiled compared to ME's. There was no real comparison here, the ME's were in a different league. Fluid Audio FX8 vs. ME GethainUhh, this is going to be a difficult topic. If I'd of never heard the FX8's, then it would be simple, the ME's would outright win across any monitor I've heard sub 2.5K.. I don't think the FX8's are good for their price, I don't think they're good monitors for 2K or 4K.. They are just damn great monitors, or that's what I would be saying if they didn't shoot themselves in the foot with compromises. Talk about a david vs goliath battle, the FX's had a far better low frequency response whilst the ME's had better LMF response and clarity, they both sounded relatively neutral up to the point where the FX8's had too much HF information, although the FX8's had slightly better mid frequency accuracy and translation. If I could of notched the HF back a couple of dB on the FX8's then problem solved but oh wait, I can't because they didn't add this feature (it's a budget monitor of course). The FX8's had a more stable phantom centre although the ME's had a massively wide sweet spot, the FX8's were bad enough that you could move your head to the side a couple of inches and all of a sudden imaging started to collapse, which is rather frustrating. If you're looking at monitors sub 1K then add these to your bucket list to try out, IMO there's nothing I've tested from Focal, Sonodyne, Presonus, JBL, Genelec, Adam within their price range (and much higher) that outright beats them if you can live with their limitations. If you're just looking for a great monitor irrelevant of price then I can't recommend the FX8's, too many compromises which the Gethain's simply do not have. I'm almost annoyed at Fluid Audio, they weren't far off making one of the best budget monitors / or simply just monitors of the decade but they decided to cheap out and yes I have tried your FPX7's with the Adam style tweeter and they aren't better than the FX8's.. You had a mammoth and wrapped it in chains. Let's see what the Dynaudio's bring to the table. A year has passed today a friend of the Geithain factory brought me two 906 to use in my own space. After 3 hours (with breaks) of AB listening I can say GENELEC builds crap monitors, the whole technical idea by Genelec is stupid.If you listen for 20 Minutes on the ME 906 (in you own studio) you can say that the iamging is near real live. Rooms open up the whole stage is there. As I wrote before...a super wide sweet spot you can bob your head with the beat and you wont notice any drastic change. The Base Reflex System of the GENELEC with the backport seems to be a bad idea, special if you have to place your monitors in corners. You always have some base differences between left and right and wonky base impulses. With the 906 you have strong bases with nice impulses and no left right base trouble at all becaue the base refelx ports are on top of the speaker. The 906 seems to be near 100% phase accurate. From 52 Hz to 20 khz its in direct AB yaw droping.I heard a lot of monitors but now I can say I feel sorry for our freinds in the USA that the ME Geithains are so hard to get. I now can say if you never heard a Geithain Monitor you never heard how good Studio-Monitoring can be. If you never had the joy of knowing how easy mix decissions can be becasue you can trust the monitors. In this case I feel sad for you.I go that far that all Monitors I worked with are expensive toys. I have a test drive time for 2 months. I am pretty sure I dont need longer than a week to swing the cash. Cheers MH Don’t feel to bad about your Genelecs, Genelec, of all the pro monitors out their are the one company that has a particular sound to them, far from transparent yes, but useable after you get to know them. The people who seam to love them most are post guys who find them less fatiguing than most, and I think image wise great at acting like a typical low end home theater. Now like baby 99% of speakers should never be put in a corner (never thought I’d quote Dirty Dancing in loudspeaker discussion) but unless it’s designed for corner placement (Klipsch Horn ) , I know in the real world you have to deal the hand your dealt but that’s just mean to a speaker even a Genelec! A great Niche would be for somebody to design a studio monitor to be used in a corner, but I see somebody saying they wouldn’t sell enough to justify it!
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 12, 2018 13:44:26 GMT -6
A year has passed today a friend of the Geithain factory brought me two 906 to use in my own space. After 3 hours (with breaks) of AB listening I can say GENELEC builds crap monitors, the whole technical idea by Genelec is stupid.If you listen for 20 Minutes on the ME 906 (in you own studio) you can say that the iamging is near real live. Rooms open up the whole stage is there. As I wrote before...a super wide sweet spot you can bob your head with the beat and you wont notice any drastic change. The Base Reflex System of the GENELEC with the backport seems to be a bad idea, special if you have to place your monitors in corners. You always have some base differences between left and right and wonky base impulses. With the 906 you have strong bases with nice impulses and no left right base trouble at all becaue the base refelx ports are on top of the speaker. The 906 seems to be near 100% phase accurate. From 52 Hz to 20 khz its in direct AB yaw droping.I heard a lot of monitors but now I can say I feel sorry for our freinds in the USA that the ME Geithains are so hard to get. I now can say if you never heard a Geithain Monitor you never heard how good Studio-Monitoring can be. If you never had the joy of knowing how easy mix decissions can be becasue you can trust the monitors. In this case I feel sad for you.I go that far that all Monitors I worked with are expensive toys. I have a test drive time for 2 months. I am pretty sure I dont need longer than a week to swing the cash. Cheers MH Don’t feel to bad about your Genelecs, Genelec, of all the pro monitors out their are the one company that has a particular sound to them, far from transparent yes, but useable after you get to know them. The people who seam to love them most are post guys who find them less fatiguing than most, and I think image wise great at acting like a typical low end home theater. Now like baby 99% of speakers should never be put in a corner (never thought I’d quote Dirty Dancing in loudspeaker discussion) but unless it’s designed for corner placement (Klipsch Horn ) , I know in the real world you have to deal the hand your dealt but that’s just mean to a speaker even a Genelec! A great Niche would be for somebody to design a studio monitor to be used in a corner, but I see somebody saying they wouldn’t sell enough to justify it! Sorry, but Genelec gives special advises for corner placement in thier manual and to me it seems its not working. The Geithain RL 906 do not cares much about if I place them nearer to the wall, or farer away. They sound pretty consistent and accurate all the time. The GENELEC 8040 was a drama with every little moove. I mixed today on the Geithain RL906 and I can say with conviction the GENELCES have phase problems like crazy. I wonder myself why some people still use them. I am healed from the GENELEC hype. Its simple the GENELECs sound crazy-wrong as nearfield monitor.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 21:41:41 GMT -6
For anyone interested, these were initial thoughts after testing: Initial impressionsThree of us (myself, partner and a friend / sound engineer) spent the day listening to all three of these coax monitors. The consistant theme across all of them is how the sound appeared directly in front of your face. It never sounded as though the speakers were relaying information L/R, surreal to people who had never heard it before. All of them in their own right great monitors. Equator D5 vs. ME GeithainI went through my usual playlist of various metal / rock bands, from LOG to Scar Symmetry all the way over to AFI.. The one thing that stood out was the low end response of the Equator's, it seemed somewhat more accurate / representative of what every monitor I've heard from $250.00 to $4K gave me. One thing that became immediatley apparent is the ME's needed a sub, apart from that the ME's honestly wiped the floor with the Equators. Better imaging, flatter / more neutral sounding revealing details I never even noticed on the Equators.. Once I'd become accustomed to the ME's the Equators sounded boxy and the mid range was somewhat veiled compared to ME's. There was no real comparison here, the ME's were in a different league. Fluid Audio FX8 vs. ME GethainUhh, this is going to be a difficult topic. If I'd of never heard the FX8's, then it would be simple, the ME's would outright win across any monitor I've heard sub 2.5K.. I don't think the FX8's are good for their price, I don't think they're good monitors for 2K or 4K.. They are just damn great monitors, or that's what I would be saying if they didn't shoot themselves in the foot with compromises. Talk about a david vs goliath battle, the FX's had a far better low frequency response whilst the ME's had better LMF response and clarity, they both sounded relatively neutral up to the point where the FX8's had too much HF information, although the FX8's had slightly better mid frequency accuracy and translation. If I could of notched the HF back a couple of dB on the FX8's then problem solved but oh wait, I can't because they didn't add this feature (it's a budget monitor of course). The FX8's had a more stable phantom centre although the ME's had a massively wide sweet spot, the FX8's were bad enough that you could move your head to the side a couple of inches and all of a sudden imaging started to collapse, which is rather frustrating. If you're looking at monitors sub 1K then add these to your bucket list to try out, IMO there's nothing I've tested from Focal, Sonodyne, Presonus, JBL, Genelec, Adam within their price range (and much higher) that outright beats them if you can live with their limitations. If you're just looking for a great monitor irrelevant of price then I can't recommend the FX8's, too many compromises which the Gethain's simply do not have. I'm almost annoyed at Fluid Audio, they weren't far off making one of the best budget monitors / or simply just monitors of the decade but they decided to cheap out and yes I have tried your FPX7's with the Adam style tweeter and they aren't better than the FX8's.. You had a mammoth and wrapped it in chains. Let's see what the Dynaudio's bring to the table. A year has passed today a friend of the Geithain factory brought me two 906 to use in my own space. After 3 hours (with breaks) of AB listening I can say GENELEC builds crap monitors, the whole technical idea by Genelec is stupid.If you listen for 20 Minutes on the ME 906 (in you own studio) you can say that the iamging is near real live. Rooms open up the whole stage is there. As I wrote before...a super wide sweet spot you can bob your head with the beat and you wont notice any drastic change. The Base Reflex System of the GENELEC with the backport seems to be a bad idea, special if you have to place your monitors in corners. You always have some base differences between left and right and wonky base impulses. With the 906 you have strong bases with nice impulses and no left right base trouble at all becaue the base refelx ports are on top of the speaker. The 906 seems to be near 100% phase accurate. From 52 Hz to 20 khz its in direct AB yaw droping.I heard a lot of monitors but now I can say I feel sorry for our freinds in the USA that the ME Geithains are so hard to get. I now can say if you never heard a Geithain Monitor you never heard how good Studio-Monitoring can be. If you never had the joy of knowing how easy mix decissions can be becasue you can trust the monitors. In this case I feel sad for you.I go that far that all Monitors I worked with are expensive toys. I have a test drive time for 2 months. I am pretty sure I dont need longer than a week to swing the cash. Cheers MH I ended up with the Dynaudio LYD48's because: www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/1169919-fluid-audio-fx8-vs-equator-d5s-vs-dynaudio-lyd48s-vs-gethain-rl906s.htmlAlthough the Gethain's are a fantastic set of monitors and I've been thinking about getting one as a B-Pair, not that the Dynaudio's aren't some of the best monitors I've come across and translate extremely well, it's just nice to have a separate sound source to A/B.. I might go Barefoot, not decided yet.
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 14, 2018 0:26:51 GMT -6
In the end I made my decission how easy it was to mix on them. My first try last year was in an friends place and I was unsure about the 906 but now I can say there is nothing your ears need to get used to. You can trust them to 100%. I bet if you get the 906, after a short time of working on both ones you will prefer the 906 as your main mixing monitors and you switch to the dynaudios just for checking the low end.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 0:48:28 GMT -6
In the end I made my decission how easy it was to mix on them. My first try last year was in an friends place and I was unsure about the 906 but now I can say there is nothing your ears need to get used to. You can trust them to 100%. I bet if you get the 906, after a short time of working on both ones you will prefer the 906 as your main mixing monitors and you switch to the dynaudios just for checking the low end. I borrowed them for two weeks from Gethain themselves, personally I thought the Dynaudio's had less distortion / better frequency alignment and much better low end response. Also the phantom center was stronger with the Dyn's, the imaging was clearer.. I just trust the Dyn's more.. The Gethain's were far better at placement / proximity than the Dyn's but apart from that for me at least that was the only place they won.. But.! They were better than most pairs I'd come across sub $3K, so for a B pair they're near the top.. Although I am looking at others too.! Of course monitors are a personal thing, I'm glad they work for you.
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 14, 2018 2:10:32 GMT -6
In the end I made my decission how easy it was to mix on them. My first try last year was in an friends place and I was unsure about the 906 but now I can say there is nothing your ears need to get used to. You can trust them to 100%. I bet if you get the 906, after a short time of working on both ones you will prefer the 906 as your main mixing monitors and you switch to the dynaudios just for checking the low end. I borrowed them for two weeks from Gethain themselves, personally I thought the Dynaudio's had less distortion / better frequency alignment and much better low end response. Also the phantom center was stronger with the Dyn's, the imaging was clearer.. I just trust the Dyn's more.. The Gethain's were far better at placement / proximity than the Dyn's but apart from that for me at least that was the only place they won.. But.! They were better than most pairs I'd come across sub $3K, so for a B pair they're near the top.. Although I am looking at others too.! Of course monitors are a personal thing, I'm glad they work for you. In my book they win the story with depth and dimension special if I take in count the small speaker. I don't know how loud you monitor but the pair I have for test drive from the factory runs flawless wirhout any distortions. I was much surprised how good they translate impulses for the small case. There must be something Mr.Kiesler did right.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Apr 17, 2018 18:49:51 GMT -6
Is there still no way to get a pair of these in the US?
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