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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 13, 2014 21:40:11 GMT -6
What is this!!!  |
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Post by lolo on Jan 13, 2014 21:42:59 GMT -6
Im def grabbing a pair
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 13, 2014 22:02:57 GMT -6
Cool! Are they out yet? I think Jeff mentioned it in another thread. jsteiger what are the fixed frequencies again? |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 13, 2014 23:57:06 GMT -6
More info please, for those of us who aren't in the same loop as you guys are.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 14, 2014 1:09:52 GMT -6
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 14, 2014 3:15:27 GMT -6
Thanx monkey! Looks like the hp/lp filtering alone would be worth the price of admission?? Also, the build looks WAAAY easy as compared to the Lc53a, exciting... Someone needs to report their findings in use..ASAP...  |
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Post by henge on Jan 14, 2014 8:22:41 GMT -6
Well that looks sexy!!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 14, 2014 9:19:56 GMT -6
Looks like fun, but outta my league. I'll keep my sites set on the Heritage 1073, even if it takes me 6 months to a year to grab one. Right now, I'm ordering the Thiersch capsule "Blueline" upgrade for my Blackspade U17, so that's all my ready cash for the winter shopping season.
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Post by svart on Jan 14, 2014 10:38:00 GMT -6
Damn. This makes it very hard to decide what I need next. I have 3 slots open on my 500 rack, but then again I could use more compressors. Uggh. too many awesome choices.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:20:10 GMT -6
I don't like these EQs. Need fully parametric. Even for bus work I find them a bit too much but it's not bad if you mix to them.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 14, 2014 11:31:57 GMT -6
I don't like these EQs. Need fully parametric. Even for bus work I find them a bit too much but it's not bad if you mix to them. Hey Jordan, are you currently totally in the box? Also, way off topic, but got any pics of your Ayotte kit? |
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Post by Ward on Jan 14, 2014 12:45:50 GMT -6
I don't like these EQs. Need fully parametric. Even for bus work I find them a bit too much but it's not bad if you mix to them. I agree. A simple fixed 3-band EQ isn't very useful but I'm sure it'll have some niche applications...just not for me (or you). |
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Post by Guitar on Jan 14, 2014 14:22:52 GMT -6
Looks like fun, but outta my league. I'll keep my sites set on the Heritage 1073, even if it takes me 6 months to a year to grab one. Right now, I'm ordering the Thiersch capsule "Blueline" upgrade for my Blackspade U17, so that's all my ready cash for the winter shopping season. I'm hoping to try a Blueline capsule in my Peluso 2247 SE this year.. please post about it when you get it. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 14, 2014 16:09:04 GMT -6
Really guys? People don't like this brand new unheard eq??? I never used it, so I have no idea it's quality?? I will say that "fully" parametrics eq's generally are useless IMO, theyre good for nalsally phasilly smearing good audio bad, mediocre for fixing mistakes that should not have been made in the first place, a plugin linear phase eq is useful, but pales in comparison to a good hardware eq on a properly conceived and tracked source, of corse this is my experience, ymmv, I've never seen a pro audio engineer reach for a fully parametric eq unless something went horribly wrong, and I've been at this for way too long.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 16:35:41 GMT -6
jcoutu1 I am complete in the box since 2012. Never been happier, I do have the API waves plugs but they don't get a lot of use. Occasionally I'll try to use the 2500 to justify having it. I will snag a photo of the Ayottes for you, they're in storage at the moment. Sizes are 22" 12" and 14".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 16:42:08 GMT -6
Really guys? People don't like this brand new unheard eq??? I never used it, so I have no idea it's quality?? I will say that "fully" parametrics eq's generally are useless IMO, theyre good for nalsally phasilly smearing good audio bad, mediocre for fixing mistakes that should not have been made in the first place, a plugin linear phase eq is useful, but pales in comparison to a good hardware eq on a properly conceived and tracked source, of corse this is my experience, ymmv, I've never seen a pro audio engineer reach for a fully parametric eq unless something went horribly wrong, and I've been at this for way too long. So you've never seen an AE reach for the EQ on an SSL? Come on. An awful lot of people swear by that eq and I would be one of them. I'm not saying it sounds bad (I don't know), when I say I don't like these eqs I mean that this type of eq isn't flexible enough for how I work. Like Ward said there are some good applications for them but I couldn't work on a desk that was filled with fixed point, 2db stepped shelving filters like the famous API eqs. The 2db increments also make them difficult to add on a bus later which means they have to be mixed to in my case which is fine but certainly not as flexible. I'm sure they sound great, I'm not aware of any bad sounding gear that's in production. Just isn't flexible enough like an SSL strip. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 14, 2014 17:05:50 GMT -6
jcoutu1 I am complete in the box since 2012. Never been happier, I do have the API waves plugs but they don't get a lot of use. Occasionally I'll try to use the 2500 to justify having it. I will snag a photo of the Ayottes for you, they're in storage at the moment. Sizes are 22" 12" and 14". Don't want to sound like I was bashing itb or anything. Not sure if my last comment came off like that. I prefer a set q with hardware. With hardware I want to be having a sound. This eq won't work for me just because of there only being 3 set freqs. I'd Love to see the kit. I have a 6.5x13 Ayotte snare. Love it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 18:33:53 GMT -6
jcoutu1 all good man! I still don't own an Ayotte snare but I really want one of their Keplingers. I have a 1943 Leedy that I think I'm going to bail on in the next month for something new.
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Post by svart on Jan 15, 2014 9:01:43 GMT -6
I've never seen a pro audio engineer reach for a fully parametric eq unless something went horribly wrong, and I've been at this for way too long. Fully parametric EQ? That's only every SSL made since before the 4K..  I think the EQ points on the API one are actually pretty good. For instance: Guitar: LPF 12k(although I'd rather see something like 7K, 10K, 12K rather than 12k, 22K, 28K..), cut at 2.7K, HPF at 110hz. Overheads: LPF 12k, boost 10k, boost 2,7k, HPF 110hz. Bass: LPF 12k, Boost 2.7k, boost 100Hz, HPF 70hz. and on and on. Probably not very good for vocals though. Inductor EQs tend to have a very wide Q, so it'll be musical at least. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 15, 2014 10:16:36 GMT -6
I stand by the statement, I've heard guys mangle recordings on ssl's with the cue control, most guys leave it wide, narrowing up is usually tied to something wrong IMO, phase matters to much to my sensibilities, which is why I also scoff at parallel compression(gasp!!! Lol 8). I prefer way less surgical eq's on a per channel basis. Swinging inputs are almost foolproof for a fool like myself, simple, beautiful, musical 8)
But as always ymmv
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Post by jsteiger on Jan 15, 2014 17:15:37 GMT -6
This EQ is not a fixer it's an enhancer. VTC = vintage tone control.
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Post by gar381 on Jan 15, 2014 18:05:27 GMT -6
I am building a pair of these at the moment. The build is much easier than the LC53 and only just a bit harder than a VP26. If you have built a VP26 you can build one of these guys with no problem. Jeff's build docs are excellent !! It's a very nice kit indeed!! I have owned a pair of 553s for about 4 years and love them. Jeff's version with the added filters should be VERY sweet!! 553s have a VERY broad Q and are very musical. As Jeff says: "This EQ is not a fixer it's an enhancer. VTC = vintage tone control ".It's nice for just a gentile lift or cut. Gary |
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Post by lolo on Jan 21, 2014 7:41:22 GMT -6
So has anyone tried these?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 21, 2014 7:45:40 GMT -6
jsteiger - so just what is an inductor EQ? What's the diff?
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Post by svart on Jan 21, 2014 9:17:20 GMT -6
Johnkenn An inductor, is a coil which resists current changes over frequency. In series, the inductor's impedance will go up as the frequency goes up, thus forming a LPF. If the inductor is in shunt connection (from signal to ground) it will become a HPF. Since a capacitor also resists current changes over frequency, but does so inversely from an inductor, a capacitor in series becomes a HPF. If you put a capacitor and an inductor in series, you get both a HPF and LPF thus forming a BPF (band pass). If you add gain around the circuit and design it so that the gain at the midpoint of the loss of the filter the cap and inductor form, then you can make a boost/cut circuit. You could go one step further and add a resistor between the cap and inductor and adjust the Q(bandwidth and shape of the filter) if you wanted to as well.. Other circuits might use synthetic inductors called gyrators, or other types of circuits. I think a lot of people like the sound not because the inductor has any excellent properties, but because of the parasitic properties. They smooth things out and make stuff less harsh is what most say.
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