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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 9, 2017 17:18:40 GMT -6
No offense to zings...
But I was mixing a tune for a client. Really good singer...and actually pretty well recorded...except for the Chinese zing (I'm officially re-naming it North Korean Zing). There's this distorted frequency happens when it's pushed that just can not be removed. Well, at least easily. If you want to EQ it totally out, you make it too dark. You can make trade-offs - reduce said zing...but it's half zing half dark. Multiband helps...Deesser helps...Surfer EQ really helps...but I wish you could narrow the Q more. Anyway, I ended up taming it and being ok with the final result, but it was a combination of all of those. And then you can tie yourself a Gordian Knot with all of those effecting each other for the good and bad.
Other than that major issue, the mic actually sounds pretty damn good. It was very similar to the experiences I had with tons of below $1500 mics.
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Post by ericn on Aug 9, 2017 17:52:28 GMT -6
Kim solved that problem you use 100 mics per voice!
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Post by EmRR on Aug 9, 2017 19:48:18 GMT -6
Crap-ass capsulez. Give me a dynamic or ribbon any day over that. Sorry man!
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 9, 2017 20:45:42 GMT -6
Crap-ass capsulez. Give me a dynamic or ribbon any day over that. Sorry man! Give me a decent condenser!
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Post by spindrift on Aug 9, 2017 21:48:37 GMT -6
Does Izotope have a North Korean zing remover tool?
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 10, 2017 9:00:40 GMT -6
Found out it's the Blue Bluebird. Prob through a cheap interface mic pre. Yep, that will do it. The Bluebird is an interesting mic. At times it sounds fantastic, but if you push it at all...damn
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 10, 2017 12:32:10 GMT -6
Found out it's the Blue Bluebird. Prob through a cheap interface mic pre. Yep, that will do it. The Bluebird is an interesting mic. At times it sounds fantastic, but if you push it at all...damn Prob every mix I get is with a Vocal mic of this quality and cheap interface .. multiple de-essers in diff frequency ranges pulling down about -3 to -6 Db depending on how offending the frequency is.. clip gain to trim the volume of plosives, slight parallel saturation.. If you are going to pull your hair out or have to work too hard, then the $ and it's not worth it. I have learned to decline the mix or job.. yes sucks missing out on money, however the $100 I would get would require $300 worth of work .. no thanks
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 10, 2017 14:09:03 GMT -6
Found out it's the Blue Bluebird. Prob through a cheap interface mic pre. Yep, that will do it. The Bluebird is an interesting mic. At times it sounds fantastic, but if you push it at all...damn Prob every mix I get is with a Vocal mic of this quality and cheap interface .. multiple de-essers in diff frequency ranges pulling down about -3 to -6 Db depending on how offending the frequency is.. clip gain to trim the volume of plosives, slight parallel saturation.. If you are going to pull your hair out or have to work too hard, then the $ and it's not worth it. I have learned to decline the mix or job.. yes sucks missing out on money, however the $100 I would get would require $300 worth of work .. no thanks Very true
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 10, 2017 14:25:55 GMT -6
Dang...just tried "X-FDBK" plug from Waves...and it did a fantastic with this issue...not sure how it's different from notch EQ, but seems to work more successfully.
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Post by adamjbrass on Aug 12, 2017 8:22:09 GMT -6
I got a Nuke option for you.
Step 1) Copy the Audio Track that needs a Strategic Targeting of Nuclear De-Essing Assault
Step 2) Put An Equalizer Plug in on the Copy Track. Anything with Super Sweep-able Q and Lots of Options.
Step 3) Put a Nice Compressor Plug that you like, with a Side-Chain input - on the Dry Vocal Track.
Step 4) Now Assign the output of the Copy/EQ track to the Side-Chain on your Nice Vocal Compressor
Step 5) With the Copy Track, REMOVE all Frequencies that you DONT want to Compress, and BOOST the SNOT out of the Areas you DO want to compress...[errr, uhm... nuke].
Step 6 Target the sum-bitch with the EQ unit and breath fire and fury, destruction of SSSSSSSSSS as you need.
Or, if you're like me.....and you're lazy -- You might just use something like Waves C6.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 12, 2017 8:45:19 GMT -6
John, is that "X-FDBK" in the X-Bundles? I've never even looked at them, I have so many Waves plugs.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 12, 2017 8:49:17 GMT -6
I wonder if the quality of the power supply is part of the "Far East" capsule pinch zing? I've been told that even onboard phantom power can fluctuate and cause mics to choke.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 12, 2017 12:28:45 GMT -6
This was a get mic. That Bluebird is an interesting mic. Really great sounding at low volume...but there's a thing at 6khz that makes it almost unusable.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 12, 2017 15:58:38 GMT -6
I know what you mean. I've tried some mics that have so much going for them, but there's one place where they just choke and get brittle. It sucks spending so much time trying to dial out something that's actually there.
I did a track where the performance was fantastic, but the mic contracted when hit hard. I'm keeping it anyway because I tried three times to better the performance with a superior mic but couldn't. I'll never use a mic like that again, it bugs me every time I listen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 17:20:22 GMT -6
I know what you mean. I've tried some mics that have so much going for them, but there's one place where they just choke and get brittle. It sucks spending so much time trying to dial out something that's actually there. I did a track where the performance was fantastic, but the mic contracted when hit hard. I'm keeping it anyway because I tried three times to better the performance with a superior mic but couldn't. I'll never use a mic like that again, it bugs me every time I listen. In my experience it's near enough every condensor under 1K, I've found a few expections like the Mojave FET but they're not exactly the cheapest mic's ever anyway.. Especially as the Neumann TLM 102 costs about the same and it's not a far stretch from a Gefell. I'm quite a loud singer, so I seem to really push the worst out of mic's. I highly doubt it's the pre-amps, a crap mic sounds crap no-matter what you use in fact I'd prefer to use a cheaper less defined pre-amp as you shove a zing mic in front of a Daking or API pre and due to detail / clarity it serves to only make it worse. I'm like a moth to a flame though, I hear some good examples and buy them anyway. For the amount I've spent on zingers I could of bought a few more decent mic's..
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 12, 2017 17:55:01 GMT -6
I feel you shadowland. I realize the power supply might not be a big factor, but I am curious about. Until recently, almost nothing was decent under $ 1,800. The Stam and the Warm U87's sound pretty damn good from what I've heard in shootouts and kcatthedog's files. I think they're the first in that price range I could live with. There are one or two others, but they seem to be good with some voices and bad with others.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 12, 2017 20:51:48 GMT -6
I know what you mean. I've tried some mics that have so much going for them, but there's one place where they just choke and get brittle. It sucks spending so much time trying to dial out something that's actually there. I did a track where the performance was fantastic, but the mic contracted when hit hard. I'm keeping it anyway because I tried three times to better the performance with a superior mic but couldn't. I'll never use a mic like that again, it bugs me every time I listen. In my experience it's near enough every condensor under 1K, I've found a few expections like the Mojave FET but they're not exactly the cheapest mic's ever anyway.. Especially as the Neumann TLM 102 costs about the same and it's not a far stretch from a Gefell. I'm quite a loud singer, so I seem to really push the worst out of mic's. I highly doubt it's the pre-amps, a crap mic sounds crap no-matter what you use in fact I'd prefer to use a cheaper less defined pre-amp as you shove a zing mic in front of a Daking or API pre and due to detail / clarity it serves to only make it worse. I'm like a moth to a flame though, I hear some good examples and buy them anyway. For the amount I've spent on zingers I could of bought a few more decent mic's.. THIS^^^
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 12, 2017 22:54:15 GMT -6
I'm like a moth to a flame though, I hear some good examples and buy them anyway. For the amount I've spent on zingers I could of bought a few more decent mic's.. Don't listen to mic examples on the internet and you won't have that problem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 1:37:00 GMT -6
I'm like a moth to a flame though, I hear some good examples and buy them anyway. For the amount I've spent on zingers I could of bought a few more decent mic's.. Don't listen to mic examples on the internet and you won't have that problem. Well show me a place I can get access to 50 different mics to test around Europe and I won't.. Many have no returns policies on mic's for obvious reasons, pretty much all of them only stock "prosumer" gear and order in the rest..
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 13, 2017 1:55:42 GMT -6
Don't listen to mic examples on the internet and you won't have that problem. Well show me a place I can get access to 50 mics to test around Europe and I won't.. Many have no returns policies on mic's for obvious reasons. I hear you! When I was living in SF things were a lot easier - 60 miles can make a big difference. I was fortunate to get some really good deals on a few good mics, when unsure I asked people whose word I trusted about them, and have a large bottle of GAS pills these days, although I'm always looking for good deals on known quality mics. The thing is patience. Another thing I've found useful is a dealer's attitude toward price, in that I don't like to pay more (or much more, depending) than I should be able to get from a dealer. You have to save your cash so that when that special deal appears you can move fast. After a certain amount of time you build up contacts if you keep at it. (The problem is that after another certain amount of time they start dying.) Some of the great deals I've got have actually come through dealers, (albeit dealers I had a 30-35 year relationship with.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 3:07:55 GMT -6
Well show me a place I can get access to 50 mics to test around Europe and I won't.. Many have no returns policies on mic's for obvious reasons. I hear you! When I was living in SF things were a lot easier - 60 miles can make a big difference. I was fortunate to get some really good deals on a few good mics, when unsure I asked people whose word I trusted about them, and have a large bottle of GAS pills these days, although I'm always looking for good deals on known quality mics. The thing is patience. Another thing I've found useful is a dealer's attitude toward price, in that I don't like to pay more (or much more, depending) than I should be able to get from a dealer. You have to save your cash so that when that special deal appears you can move fast. After a certain amount of time you build up contacts if you keep at it. (The problem is that after another certain amount of time they start dying.) Some of the great deals I've got have actually come through dealers, (albeit dealers I had a 30-35 year relationship with.) Yeah it stopped working like that years ago over here, they use automated algorithms to price match the lowest output and will never budge on the price.. Well unless they missed a price match that is and you tell them to sort it. So everywhere you go it will cost you the same, which is cool in some ways because prices are generally quite low.. You don't see much in the way of special offers though. Also they never really tend to stock anything but prosumer gear / low end and I've seen the odd bits of mid range (if it's popular), the only place I know of with a large selection of "pro" gear in stock is Thomann (in another country) which in all fairness has a very solid returns policy for most things.. A 30 day no quibble kinda thing. Although I'd not push my luck so to speak.. So generally you're "ok" but it's again somewhat a pain if you want to test en mass, I tried to get a bunch of monitors to test a while back ago and besides the general low mid range Adam's / Genelec's / focals etc. they had zip. On the flip side if you want to test out prosumer or low end gear you can go to about 20 shops within a 10 mile radius that will be brimming with it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 13, 2017 7:42:05 GMT -6
I think if you asked me for a quote I would beat it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 8:06:30 GMT -6
I think if you asked me for a quote I would beat it. What do you sell audio equipment as well?
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 13, 2017 8:46:18 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Aug 13, 2017 12:17:45 GMT -6
I think if you asked me for a quote I would beat it. Yeah I would have ! If I could!
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