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Post by lolo on Jan 12, 2014 1:02:46 GMT -6
LCR panning
Who does it?
Do you strickly mix LCR
If not, what do you do?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 1:48:25 GMT -6
I do lcr for almost everything. Sometimes toms don't sound right that far and certain elements like shakers don't but everything else is lcr
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Post by lolo on Jan 12, 2014 2:01:02 GMT -6
Forgot to say I also try to stick to LCR.
Agree with Toms. It either works or not.
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Post by Ward on Jan 12, 2014 11:06:52 GMT -6
Extreme LCR is too extreme and sounds dated IME
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 12, 2014 11:24:35 GMT -6
I had to look LCR up  ...but apparently I do it. To a point. I always keep my Kick, snare, bass straight up, hat to the left, and OH and ROOM panned all the way stereo. Toms, I tend to go in between. AG's and EG's are usually L or R...but sometimes, I'll pull the AG's around 60...Sometimes, I'll pull harms just a hair off. Really just where things sound the best. |
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Post by henge on Jan 12, 2014 11:42:44 GMT -6
Used to only mix LCR but now I'm loosening up. Sometimes I'll sit the BVox closer to the lead vocal to make room for wide guitars and anything eles that's hard panned. HiHat is slightly to the left of kick and snare and sometimes percussion ( shaker etc. ) is brought more to the middle.
Rules are made to be broken, even LCR imo.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 12, 2014 12:49:13 GMT -6
Mostly LCR, but it's always about what sounds right musically and creatively for the piece at hand for me, no rules.
Btw, this topic on the purple site turns to shit instantly, I love this place!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 20:51:56 GMT -6
I like how my mixes sound with LCR. I used to get bugged on a couple of things but have since let it go and chose to strictly adhere to it.
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Post by wiz on Jan 13, 2014 2:10:23 GMT -6
A lot of mine is close to that. Sometimes not. Depends, on the song mostly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 8:07:30 GMT -6
My thinking is that most listening environments are compromised and will not reflect percentages well. I expect they will be perceived as LCR anyway. So if I nail it from the start, perhaps I will net a small gain in clarity.
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Post by jazznoise on Jan 13, 2014 10:04:13 GMT -6
Nope. If you have a few mic arrays at different distances, it's often not the best idea. People partially panning the toms are getting at it. If the guitar bleed onto my drums pushes the guitar about 60 degrees to the right, I probably won't hard pan the close mic. It tends to contradict what's already there.
But for those sort of live recordings I've already been moving the musicians around to get the best image.
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Post by henge on Jan 13, 2014 11:02:26 GMT -6
Nope. If you have a few mic arrays at different distances, it's often not the best idea. People partially panning the toms are getting at it. If the guitar bleed onto my drums pushes the guitar about 60 degrees to the right, I probably won't hard pan the close mic. It tends to contradict what's already there. But for those sort of live recordings I've already been moving the musicians around to get the best image. What about situations where there is no bleed? where everything is either tracked direct or software generated ( e.g. drums etc.) |
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Post by jazznoise on Jan 13, 2014 11:19:23 GMT -6
Nope. If you have a few mic arrays at different distances, it's often not the best idea. People partially panning the toms are getting at it. If the guitar bleed onto my drums pushes the guitar about 60 degrees to the right, I probably won't hard pan the close mic. It tends to contradict what's already there. But for those sort of live recordings I've already been moving the musicians around to get the best image. What about situations where there is no bleed? where everything is either tracked direct or software generated ( e.g. drums etc.) In those situations you'll also be relying on different stereo techniques to add depth to the tracks - hass delays, slapbacks, ADT, wide reverbs, stereo modulation etc. At which point I'll probably have to control the width of some of these tracks and FX to some extent. So regardless of my pan pot settings it's not LCR because the stereo image is not going to be hard left, hard right or centre. I do hard pan things, it's just never a rule of thumb. Things just go where they need to. |
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Post by popmann on Jan 13, 2014 12:17:54 GMT -6
Never LCR. It enforces some solid engineering principles...but, it's not necessary and certainly damaging followed to the hilt. That's the thing--most proponents don't actually follow it closely...knowingly or unknowingly.
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Post by henge on Jan 13, 2014 12:48:59 GMT -6
What about situations where there is no bleed? where everything is either tracked direct or software generated ( e.g. drums etc.) In those situations you'll also be relying on different stereo techniques to add depth to the tracks - hass delays, slapbacks, ADT, wide reverbs, stereo modulation etc. At which point I'll probably have to control the width of some of these tracks and FX to some extent. So regardless of my pan pot settings it's not LCR because the stereo image is not going to be hard left, hard right or centre. I do hard pan things, it's just never a rule of thumb. Things just go where they need to. This was the reason that strict LCR didn't make sense to me. Some stereo elements will have a narrower soundfield than others. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 13, 2014 15:31:59 GMT -6
Honestly, I didn't even know there was such a thing as LCR. I just pan it where it sounds good.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 13, 2014 21:30:02 GMT -6
I believe most elements panned LCR are a good thing for a wide sounding mix, but strict adherence to it can sound pretty un natural IMO. Most people who say they mix Strictly LCR, actually don't...
A lot of old mixes are LCR due to panning restrictions, but stereo micing and source placements often partial image positions, like mentioned by henge and jazz
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Post by lolo on Jan 13, 2014 21:46:52 GMT -6
I generally start a mix strickly LCR. If I find something doesnt work i move it around
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Post by cenafria on Jan 14, 2014 2:09:17 GMT -6
Very often, everything except toms will be LCR here, however, I rarely have an overdub that is just the close mic. With basic tracks there is generally some leakage as either everyone is playing in one room or drums are isolated in the live room, with all the amps in the dead room. So LCR usually works well, doesn't sound that extreme. But yes, heavy LCR tendencies here. Sometimes a client will ask for something to be panned a certain way, I always try to accommodate their preference.
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Post by lcr on Jan 16, 2014 8:32:25 GMT -6
I went "full LCR" about a year ago. With the exception of sometimes toms and strings. I think its improved my mixes, however everytime we mix we SHOULD be getting better at it, I think LCR has def. helped. Speaking of improving your mixes/techniques, do you LCRers have a generic setting/starting point for HP/LP of middle and side material? Do you HP/LP MS differently?
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Post by henge on Jan 16, 2014 8:37:49 GMT -6
Depends on the tune. One thing that I'm really enjoying is the mono maker function in the BX Digital. Also the ability to solo either mid or side and then treat accordingly. So yes there might be different hp/lp for m/s.
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Post by lcr on Jan 26, 2014 12:03:11 GMT -6
I went "full LCR" about a year ago. With the exception of sometimes toms and strings. I think its improved my mixes, however everytime we mix we SHOULD be getting better at it, I think LCR has def. helped. Speaking of improving your mixes/techniques, do you LCRers have a generic setting/starting point for HP/LP of middle and side material? Do you HP/LP MS differently? So, isnt the center channel of stereo just a sum of the L & R? If so, how do these plugins hp/lp the center without effecting the sides and vice versa? I know this is probably a very novice question explained 10.0000 times before, could anybody explain or share a link for how this works? |
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Post by awtac on Jan 27, 2014 10:49:48 GMT -6
IMO, if you are mixing LCR with a panpot in your signal path you are likely missing a large component of the vibe of LCR. Panpot circuit has a sound...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 14:01:06 GMT -6
check this out, if you got 2 hours:
it's a video of a google hangout hosted by daniel ford, with a bunch of dudes from pensado's students facebook group. i got to sit in on this, it was cool.
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Post by allbuttonmode on Jan 28, 2014 2:47:35 GMT -6
I've never done strictly LCR, but I used to do drum OHs 100% left and right. If I had dubbed guitars in there, they'd be panned hard also. Then I tested doing 50% instead, and I've never looked back. Sounds much more natural and cohesive to me.
I've always loved the realness of drums in mono, but sometimes a track needs the stereo spread of the OHs. I've found doing 50% L and R to be a great compromise.
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...but apparently I do it. To a point. I always keep my Kick, snare, bass straight up, hat to the left, and OH and ROOM panned all the way stereo. Toms, I tend to go in between. AG's and EG's are usually L or R...but sometimes, I'll pull the AG's around 60...Sometimes, I'll pull harms just a hair off. Really just where things sound the best. 
