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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 2, 2017 13:33:36 GMT -6
So would this be all you would need to get the Burl into your DAW with the B16? Haven't really heard much about it... burlaudio.com/bmb5 |
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Post by ericn on Jul 2, 2017 15:49:00 GMT -6
That's what they say, but I would check with Burl since they say 16 ch cape ability coming April, always good to know what it can and can't do before you spend any $$!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 2, 2017 20:31:48 GMT -6
Seems like a lot of unproven stuff to trust right off the bat.
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Post by ericn on Jul 2, 2017 21:59:33 GMT -6
Seems like a lot of unproven stuff to trust right off the bat. That's the world of computer audio, you can always find an affordable, stable interface with AES and go from that to the Burl, Honestly I would call the guys at Burl, they seamed pretty honest and cool at NAMM a couple years ago! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 2, 2017 22:49:37 GMT -6
True...I guess you could get a super cheap thunderbolt interface...
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 2, 2017 22:52:36 GMT -6
Seems like a lot of unproven stuff to trust right off the bat. It looks like $3000 for just the chassis and BMB5 ..I could be wrong but everywhere I look this BMB5 card isn't offered included with the B16 chassis like the other connectivity cards .. no converter cards included ... Each other chassis option the connectivity option is specifically stater the bmb connector card is included... So if the BMB5 comes with b16 then it's $6100 for 8ad and 8da. If not then it's going to be $7600 🤔😱 $1499 Chassis $1499 BMB5 $2699 AD8 $1799 DA8 $6100 is crazy coin for 8x8 much less $7600... What does $6100 get you symphony mk2 wise ? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 2, 2017 23:05:41 GMT -6
I think the BM5 would be included with the chassis. And then be like $4800 for 4x8...which is still freaking insane.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 3, 2017 9:58:35 GMT -6
I think the BM5 would be included with the chassis. And then be like $4800 for 4x8...which is still freaking insane. Completely Agree! Does Burl realize they have priced them self out of the market ? How many of us would jump on a B16 usb-c/ TB3 8ad x 10da mothership for $3500? I would 😎🤘 |
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Post by popmann on Jul 4, 2017 19:20:06 GMT -6
I don't know why this is an interesting development. 2x2 you can already do to basically any low rent USB(or TB or FW or PCI or PCIE) interface.....and if you really need a mothership's big IO, you will need more throughput than USB2 to run it all simultaneously. And, probably want the monitoring capability of a RME MADI Face or PCIe MADI or AES solutions (or obviously just connecting to Avid HD systems). So, I'm not sure who this is aimed at.....
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 5, 2017 6:11:42 GMT -6
I agree burl needs to make TB3/ USB-C
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Post by popmann on Jul 5, 2017 7:24:16 GMT -6
If they get into the interface business, yes. I'm not sure it helps them to get into it, though, given what resources it takes from a company to do so....they're a little fish. I'd suggest if they think there's a market, to partner with RME or someone to make/support a turnkey Digital IO to package with it.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 5, 2017 9:55:57 GMT -6
If they get into the interface business, yes. I'm not sure it helps them to get into it, though, given what resources it takes from a company to do so....they're a little fish. I'd suggest if they think there's a market, to partner with RME or someone to make/support a turnkey Digital IO to package with it. Very smart idea you have there! How much more would the product cost with two companies R&D going into manufacturing? Idk, I was trying to find a cheaper solution / idea lol. I meant replace the connector cards they have now with pcie for windows and TB3 for Mac but didn't make my point 🤦♂️😂 |
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Post by ericn on Jul 5, 2017 15:11:28 GMT -6
If they get into the interface business, yes. I'm not sure it helps them to get into it, though, given what resources it takes from a company to do so....they're a little fish. I'd suggest if they think there's a market, to partner with RME or someone to make/support a turnkey Digital IO to package with it. The thing with the interface Buisness is the cost of staying up to date and support! RME makes it easy to get most digital protocols out of a box. |
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Post by popmann on Jul 5, 2017 16:38:04 GMT -6
Yes, and they have likely no staff qualified to do driver writing....so, they now hire how many full time folks to write maintain/support software? I'd be willing to bet this is a USB class compliant card meaning no control panel or DSP for low latency cue monitoring--so half the people who buy it thinking it will be just like a UA or Apogee or MOTU/RME with hardware routing and mentoring....will be disappointed.
See SSL's Nucleus audio someone else did for them because they didn't understand the ongoing costs. No longer works. $5k fader pack, despite having really nice classA electronics and PCM conversion....but, they hinged it on some USB drivers they had someone write....when Apple killed it, they realized they haven't sold enough to justify paying OOP to fix it's software for OS X.
I made a big stink about this when Apogee stopped making stand alone ADA conversion and got squarely into the interface business. It's a valid pivot, because ADA conversion has improved significantly in 15 years. It's improved AT 44.1....48khz....but, other than some real esoteric stuff that I have no experience with--"working engineer units"---at 88.2/96khz simply aren't tangibly better. So, Burl and JCF (and likely others) took that to mean let's pivot on the line amp design as "the remaining digital issue and way to sell new units"....and Apogee decided to get into the planned obsalecence interface making business....there's nothing inherently wrong with either of these. Are what they are....but, what they're NOT is the same business model at all.
The reason I bought the Burl to go with my Benchmark DAC feeding the monitors is because I'll likely not replace it. I can use $50-100 used interfaces with whatever gets me in and out of the Turing machine of the moment with exactly the quality I'm familiar and comfortable with....be that iOS, Windows, OS X.....or frankly some hardware recorder with AES or SPDIF.....the entire goal/plan of the "back nine studio plan" was to put the least money into the home side as possible. As small a footprint....least money going forward---use whatever Turing machine is around that I can rig up to work for recording. whatever software runs well on it. Thus, when Cubase no longer ran well on the available MBAir, I just switched to Logic which runs great on it-like, you know Cubase 6 DID many OSX's ago.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 5, 2017 20:09:44 GMT -6
If they get into the interface business, yes. I'm not sure it helps them to get into it, though, given what resources it takes from a company to do so....they're a little fish. I'd suggest if they think there's a market, to partner with RME or someone to make/support a turnkey Digital IO to package with it. Or - say - Universal Audio. I bet there might have been a bad parting or something. But who knows. |
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Post by adamjbrass on Jul 6, 2017 8:47:24 GMT -6
What does $6100 get you symphony mk2 wise ? Probably a Frame Plus 24 Channels [plus Eight AES/EBU or ADAT] $6290 |
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