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Post by BradM on May 20, 2017 10:38:46 GMT -6
Hey guys, I need a favor. Can someone here with a Neve 1073 or 1084 module (or similar) process the following clip for me using the Line input set at unit gain ("0" setting on the gain knob)? A vintage module would be preferable, but if you have a clone just let me know what it is. Heritage Audio or BAE or AMS, etc. Drum Loop clip (mono)thanks! Brad
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Post by mrholmes on May 21, 2017 19:33:45 GMT -6
Is the Vintage Design DMP enough not a 100% clone but with Carnhills in and out was not cheap when the VD hype was in the 00.... if yes send me the file I process it for you.
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Post by BradM on May 21, 2017 20:51:44 GMT -6
Is the Vintage Design DMP enough not a 100% clone but with Carnhills in and out was not cheap when the VD hype was in the 00.... if yes send me the file I process it for you. Sure, I'd be curious to hear it. The clip is linked in my original post. Just right click it to save the file. Brad
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Post by sopwith on May 22, 2017 4:37:47 GMT -6
I can get onto this tomorrow night with a Heritage 73JR.
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Post by BradM on May 22, 2017 8:35:25 GMT -6
I can get onto this tomorrow night with a Heritage 73JR. Ooh this would be perfect! Thanks. Brad
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Post by jeremygillespie on May 22, 2017 10:47:51 GMT -6
I'll throw it through a vintage Neve tonight for you.
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Post by BradM on May 22, 2017 11:28:31 GMT -6
I'll throw it through a vintage Neve tonight for you. Now we're talking! Which Neve module do you have? You guys rock. Feel free to email me the clips via WeTransfer or Dropbox or whatever. Or just make them available for download here. I think it will be fun for everyone to listen and compare. thanks, Brad
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Post by Johnkenn on May 22, 2017 18:47:35 GMT -6
I've got the Stam with the Sowter
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Post by kilroyrock on May 22, 2017 20:44:37 GMT -6
I'm commenting mostly for the end result, is this a chroma comparison?
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 22, 2017 20:58:12 GMT -6
This could be interesting. Guys, I'd love to hear the difference between the preamps if it's Ok to post it.
I should be getting the same preamp John is using soon, and It would be fun to hear the same track through those other preamps.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 22, 2017 22:35:30 GMT -6
This could be interesting. Guys, I'd love to hear the difference between the preamps if it's Ok to post it. I should be getting the same preamp John is using soon, and It would be fun to hear the same track through those other preamps. Just posted a pic of the build on the Stam thread 😀👍
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Post by jeremygillespie on May 23, 2017 0:40:35 GMT -6
I'll throw it through a vintage Neve tonight for you. Now we're talking! Which Neve module do you have? You guys rock. Feel free to email me the clips via WeTransfer or Dropbox or whatever. Or just make them available for download here. I think it will be fun for everyone to listen and compare. thanks, Brad I got hung up on recalls tonight and am out of energy. I tap out at 16 hours haha. I'll send it through a few different ones tomorrow. I thought they were 1081's but pulled a module tonight and at least 4 of them are 1083's They interestingly have a "hi/lo" switch on the back. I'm guessing impedance.
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Post by mrholmes on May 23, 2017 3:05:35 GMT -6
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Post by rowmat on May 23, 2017 4:12:53 GMT -6
Now we're talking! Which Neve module do you have? You guys rock. Feel free to email me the clips via WeTransfer or Dropbox or whatever. Or just make them available for download here. I think it will be fun for everyone to listen and compare. thanks, Brad I got hung up on recalls tonight and am out of energy. I tap out at 16 hours haha. I'll send it through a few different ones tomorrow. I thought they were 1081's but pulled a module tonight and at least 4 of them are 1083's They interestingly have a "hi/lo" switch on the back. I'm guessing impedance. Nice! Are these in a console? Two things... I'm guessing the 1083's will be Class A/B like the 1081's versus the 1073's and 1084's which are Class A so these will sound different. Typically the Neve Class A/B modules have more presence 'off the bat' than the Class A modules. Are the gain pots on your 1083's detented? I believe that's the only difference from the 1081. The 'Hi/Lo' switch sets the mic input transformer to either 1200 ohms or 300 ohms and has no effect on the line input which uses a different transformer.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 23, 2017 7:56:05 GMT -6
mrholmes, I listened to the download, but don't know what I'm listening for. Was that a comparison of two preamps, or just one. Which ones?
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Post by BradM on May 23, 2017 9:49:16 GMT -6
I've got the Stam with the Sowter Let's hear it!
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Post by BradM on May 23, 2017 10:03:14 GMT -6
I got hung up on recalls tonight and am out of energy. I tap out at 16 hours haha. I'll send it through a few different ones tomorrow. I thought they were 1081's but pulled a module tonight and at least 4 of them are 1083's They interestingly have a "hi/lo" switch on the back. I'm guessing impedance. Hey Jeremy, No worries. Whenever you can get it it will be great. It won't matter what you set the impedance switch to since you should be feeding signal into the line input and not the mic input. Even though the 1083 more like a 1081, I'm still really interested in hear how it compares to all this other stuff. Guys - please note that I updated the download link. I realized that the original link had a stereo file, but I just want to process a mono file to make it easier. mrholmes - I'll let you decide if you want to re-run the clip. If not I think I can just sum your track to mono and trim and it might be close enough for comparison purposes. kilroyrock - I'm really curious how Chroma stacks up to all this stuff. If you could have a preamp that did a really convincing API, vintage Neve, and modern Neve all in one 500 series box...well that would be pretty darn cool, right? Brad
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Post by NoFilterChuck on May 23, 2017 10:03:21 GMT -6
I have an AML ez1073-500
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Post by notneeson on May 23, 2017 10:56:03 GMT -6
Wait, so you do have a filter? (Sorry, couldn't resist).
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Post by Johnkenn on May 23, 2017 11:13:33 GMT -6
Again - not trying to be a wet noodle, but will this really tell us much? What was the original file recorded with? I'm actually asking because I'm not sure of the answer. Is this a test to reflect how the chroma and various pres sound when re-routing a file through it? On a mono track, I would think it would be pretty tough to tell the difference. Maybe a 2 bus track might yield more noticeable results?
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Post by BradM on May 23, 2017 12:38:18 GMT -6
Again - not trying to be a wet noodle, but will this really tell us much? What was the original file recorded with? I'm actually asking because I'm not sure of the answer. Is this a test to reflect how the chroma and various pres sound when re-routing a file through it? On a mono track, I would think it would be pretty tough to tell the difference. Maybe a 2 bus track might yield more noticeable results? Hi John, I think it will tell us what it tells us. When we plug in microphones and audition preamps on mono sources, how are we able to make decisions about what preamps to use? Folks do this all the time and claim to hear differences, so I think a mono track is valid. I'm not sure it really matters what the original track was recorded with. It's a well recorded sound in my opinion. And if you put that sound through additional circuitry it will change in ways that our ears may notice. Maybe listening and discussing these clips may help us all better understand what the "Neve" sound is. I don't think this is a test per se. It's more just to hear what different Neve gear sounds like to satisfy curiosity. My hunch is that my own new product, Chroma, will sound very close to some of it, and if it does indeed I'd be pretty stoked I made something that hangs with such high end company. For some of us these clips may not tell us anything. For others it may tell us everything. If anyone wants to run the stereo clip as well (for fun), here's a link. I'd pull down the level 6 dB before printing though. And again, use the line inputs, with gain set to unity: Stereo Drum Clip (trim -6dB before printing)
Brad
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Post by Johnkenn on May 23, 2017 12:53:14 GMT -6
OK - cool. Wasn't trying to be disagreeable...just asking.
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Post by BradM on May 23, 2017 12:58:00 GMT -6
OK - cool. Wasn't trying to be disagreeable...just asking. I didn't take it that way at all. I thought they were genuinely legitimate questions. I'm glad someone is asking them! I do think the question about stereo vs. mono is especially relevant. Some gear does present stereo information in a special way that would never be revealed with a mono track. I know from experience the Silver Bullet (on "A") is like that. So I appreciate you bringing that up. Sometimes it's fun to just see where the sounds will lead us. Brad
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Post by kilroyrock on May 23, 2017 14:12:49 GMT -6
I can run it through my gap with carnhills and a nos transistor
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Post by Tommy Harron on May 23, 2017 14:24:13 GMT -6
Looking forward to hearing how the Chroma compares and contrasts!
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