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Post by stam on May 7, 2017 13:38:06 GMT -6
Hi Guys, Happy to announce this one for September. Dany Bouchard's D-47 PCB, Heiserman HK47 capsule, AMI output transformer. There is a significant disccount for the first 50 who pre-order stamaudio.com/sa47.htmlThanks, Joshua
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Post by drbill on May 7, 2017 14:29:27 GMT -6
More info on power supply??
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Post by stam on May 7, 2017 14:31:53 GMT -6
What else would you like to know?
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Post by drbill on May 7, 2017 14:36:38 GMT -6
Hand wired point to point, PCB, Chinese manufacture? Components? Type of enclosure? Etc..? Pics?
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Post by stam on May 7, 2017 16:12:21 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on May 7, 2017 16:16:10 GMT -6
What about tubes ?
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on May 7, 2017 17:06:16 GMT -6
Seems like a very good deal.
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Post by pope on May 7, 2017 17:08:15 GMT -6
I'm not sure if I understood. Is the sa-47 a new product or you are selling assembled D47s? Also, does this come with a shock mount?
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Post by m03 on May 7, 2017 17:14:51 GMT -6
What polar patterns are available and how are they selected?
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Post by wiz on May 7, 2017 17:21:54 GMT -6
I pre ordered!
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Ward on May 7, 2017 18:00:50 GMT -6
I am very intrigued.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 7, 2017 18:51:15 GMT -6
Cool product release.. Oliver redesign is highly respected.. Has anyone ever shot out these mics against original 47's? I am not trying to nitpick just asking? I truly hope this product is a successful for you Stam. I also hope that each and every component is built / assembled with pride paying attention to detail ๐ oh yeah hope they ship on time as well
More questions : Where is the mic body head and grille made? Are they from the AMI kit? They look similar.. I do know when I looked at the AMI t47 mic kit with Blue Line and it was around $1000-$1100 and still needed to be built.
Re: SA87 We are in May has anyone received their SA87 that we're shipping in March? Maybe I missed the thread? How are they sounding and comparing to other mics ( and 87's obviously ๐ ) Has anyone used theirs to record stuff they can post?
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 8, 2017 8:29:19 GMT -6
What's important is that Stam's 47 must sound really good, not thin, not boomy. Truly duplicating a U47 probably can't be done at this point, but if it's done thoughtfully, it's possible to get something in the 47 family of tone that doesn't suck. One of the mics I sold had parts that were identical to one particular $6,000 U47 clone, and yet, it was thin, no matter what part I replaced.
So the real test will be is the new Stam valid in its own right. Stam's got a pretty good track record when people get his products, so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
Jeremy mentioned the Soyuz 0-17. That's a great example of what I'm saying. It's in the U67 zone of tone, but it really has it's own sound. Kind of like the prettier cousin of a U47 or U67. It's colored for sure, but it's all the colors you want, if you want some color, a little rounder and smoother overall, but still retains great detail.
Here's a vocal done in my apartment with the Soyuz 0-17:
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/long-road-back-master
Here's a vocal done with the one of Jermy Gillespie's U47's. Please raise the volume on this one accordingly, the other track has been mastered by jcoutou.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/mic-shootout-2-mic-1
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Post by kcatthedog on May 8, 2017 9:22:56 GMT -6
Its an interesting price drop. The Thiersch blue line cap alone is $300 usd unshipped.
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Post by Vincent R. on May 8, 2017 10:26:47 GMT -6
stam, I'm curious why the SA-47 is the same price as the SA-87. Generally most microphone companies charge more for tube mics. The answer may be as simple as adjusting for the R&D you put in on the SA-87 that wasn't needed on the SA-47, because you are using an established kit. In my mind if the SA-47 is $990, the SA-87 should be closer to $600.
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Post by Vincent R. on May 8, 2017 10:28:46 GMT -6
Also, when I spoke to Max at IOAudio while purchasing his U67 kit, he mentioned getting ready to release a line of fully assemble MK47s himself. Something to think about. I had actually asked him about an M49 style mic, but he didn't have anything in the works for it.
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Post by stam on May 8, 2017 10:40:45 GMT -6
stam , I'm curious why the SA-47 is the same price as the SA-87. Generally most microphone companies charge more for tube mics. The answer may be as simple as adjusting for the R&D you put in on the SA-87 that wasn't needed on the SA-47, because you are using an established kit. In my mind if the SA-47 is $990, the SA-87 should be closer to $600. The SA-47 is 990 USD The SA-87 is 890 USD Building a PSU, buying the tubes and a slightly higher priced output transformer makes the difference of 100USD. It is much faster to build a 47 than an 87, 80% less components to solder All these mics are hand made by us in Chile. The capsule alone costs close to 250 with shipping.
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Post by ericn on May 8, 2017 10:53:23 GMT -6
Isn't that why we have Bowie around๐ But seriously that's the biggest problem with most modern non- original circuit clones, Tubes that can do the job vs designed to do the job and finding those that are up to the task! Dan built mine, and he went thru dozens of tubes to find ones that were even mediocre. ย It complicates testing and verifying that you need two good ones. ย The good news is, they are in no short supply. ย I bought some spares from the british distributor, but I've not put them in yet because the two that Dan finally ended up with are good. For years when asked why they didn't make any tube mic Neumann, AKG AT shure all said again and again supply and quality of tubes just wasn't worth it !
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Post by ericn on May 8, 2017 11:01:50 GMT -6
Yeah but for 10% of the price of the real deal and about a 1/4 of a Flea ballpark is pretty good! Being an M7 fan and considering most experts consider the Geniuine Neumann K47 the most consistent modern quality Capsule the choice of Capsule is what is keeping me from pulling the trigger. I know Eric is doing a very good job, but you can get the real deal and unlike the k87/67/670 they still nail it ! I did like Cowboy through Svarts clone , of course Herbie would sound good through a CB radio! The Flea is the closest I've heard, still not sure if drop the coin on it though. If it was me, Id get something with its own vibe. I don't see the sense in chasing something that will never be "right". It would drive me crazy every time Id use the mic. Id rather drop the coin on something like that Tube Soyez or something of that nature. I feel like the importance and beauty of the real deal mics is slightly diminished when being compared to $1,000 microphones. We have a short body Telefunken badged 47 and a chrome topped Neumann badged long body 47, both with real deal VF14's. They are astonishing examples. They blow me away anytime I use them. Put something else next to it, and it get lackluster real quick. Not saying the clones are useless, but I wish people would stop pretending and perpetuating the idea of "hey now I have a 47!". ::disclaimer:: Trying hard to not come off as a complete know it all. These are not my mics, and no I would not be able to afford them if I didnt happen to work at a facility with a beautiful mic locker for the past 10 years. The opportunity I've had to use so many badass mics has left me slightly jaded when it comes to the clone market is all. Jeremy I agree but let's face facts 80% of Audio products are chasing the past! For years I tried to build my personal collection on the tools you wouldn't find in a normal studio, then I found myself walking into bedrooms called studios without the must haves, well they had the plugin version! As I rebuild from my last sell off I am focusing on the more esoteric. Personally I am more likely to Buy Sony, Gefell Sanken MBHO or the Chandler mic before a clone !
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 8, 2017 12:35:38 GMT -6
How is AMI quality since Oliver ( RIP ) has passed ? That's what put me off from buying the kit and just modding the st77 I had.. Can anyone speak to the quality or have a song or files recorded with a heiserman capsule? The blue line capsule is pricey but so is the heiserman and I have never heard a heiserman capsule. Use Thiersch Blue and Red regularly with amazing results on most voices ( blue line cap / upgraded circuit / fet m7 mic ) and have used Red Line in females with great results... ( red line cap/ upgraded electronics/ fet m7 / sounds like a mix between 87/c12 ) Is this confirmed the same body / head basket as the group DIY project? How do the DIY community feel? ๐ I thought their projects were for the community by the community ( not for manufacture / retail ) I think it's cool Stam can offer this as a ready built product... idk if it would cheaper buying the kit, sourcing capsule, and paying tech to build.. I imagine not... jeremygillespieThanks for your real world experience. I know a $1000 current production mic will never be a U47 due to the parts/ components being extinct ( m7/ vf14m/ vf14/ original output tx )... I also don't feel like you posts were off putting, felt they were informative based on your experience using said mics, ๐๐๐ jcoutu1 you could buy the kit and blue line capsule yourself and pay a tech and have the mic a lot quicker if time is of the essence.... of course Stam version maybe cheaper / different depending on kit + capsule + components.. without using either build I am not saying one or the other is a better quality, I'm sure they both are very capable mics ๐
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Post by kcatthedog on May 8, 2017 12:43:15 GMT -6
Sometimes it can be difficult to get the Thiersch capsules too !
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 8, 2017 12:58:13 GMT -6
How is AMI quality since Oliver ( RIP ) has passed ? That's what put me off from buying the kit and just modding the st77 I had.. Can anyone speak to the quality or have a song or files recorded with a heiserman capsule? The blue line capsule is pricey but so is the heiserman and I have never heard a heiserman capsule. Use Thiersch Blue and Red regularly with amazing results on most voices ( blue line cap / upgraded circuit / fet m7 mic ) and have used Red Line in females with great results... ( red line cap/ upgraded electronics/ fet m7 / sounds like a mix between 87/c12 ) Is this confirmed the same body / head basket as the group DIY project? How do the DIY community feel? ๐ I thought their projects were for the community by the community ( not for manufacture / retail ) I think it's cool Stam can offer this as a ready built product... idk if it would cheaper buying the kit, sourcing capsule, and paying tech to build.. I imagine not... jeremygillespieThanks for your real world experience. I know a $1000 current production mic will never be a U47 due to the parts/ components being extinct ( m7/ vf14m/ vf14/ original output tx )... I also don't feel like you posts were off putting, felt they were informative based on your experience using said mics, ๐๐๐ jcoutu1 you could buy the kit and blue line capsule yourself and pay a tech and have the mic a lot quicker if time is of the essence.... of course Stam version maybe cheaper / different depending on kit + capsule + components.. without using either build I am not saying one or the other is a better quality, I'm sure they both are very capable mics ๐ I've heard good things about the Heiserman cap and the Dany PCB. I'm really psyched about my Stam 2A, so I'm confident enough about the SA-47 to give it a go. I'll take slow and cheap if the quality is good.
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Post by ericn on May 8, 2017 13:33:16 GMT -6
Eric's capsules are very well regarded, but again you can get a real K47 and it's still the gold standard. TAB's been good as far as quality without Oliver, I have heard getting stuff isn't always easy but it never was.
Stams knocking it out of the park with the price of this one, all the right quality parts. As far as 87 VS 47, tube VS solid state price, if he can build it easier it makes sense, but as Bill said the Tubes are the Achilles on this one.
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Post by drbill on May 8, 2017 13:57:58 GMT -6
I've heard the opposite on the Heiserman caps. But this is only hearsay - I have no verifiable first hand info. Only anecdotal from people I trust. I would like to take a chance on this, but what I've heard has me re-thinking. By the time I actually have heard one, the pre-order will be long gone. I HAVE heard good things about the Dany PCB and that basically, it's a rip from the Maxi/o 47. So that's all good IMO. And then.......there's the tubes.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 8, 2017 14:37:43 GMT -6
What's important is that Stam's 47 must sound really good, not thin, not boomy. Truly duplicating a U47 probably can't be done at this point, but if it's done thoughtfully, it's possible to get something in the 47 family of tone that doesn't suck. One of the mics I sold had parts that were identical to one particular $6,000 U47 clone, and yet, it was thin, no matter what part I replaced.ย So the real test will be is the new Stam valid in its own right. Stam's got a pretty good track record when people get his products, so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. Jeremy mentioned the Soyuz 0-17. That's a great example of what I'm saying. It's in the U67 zone of tone, but it really has it's own sound. Kind of like the prettier cousin of a U47 or U67. It's colored for sure, but it's all the colors you want, if you want some color, a little rounder and smoother overall, but still retains great detail. Here's a vocal done in my apartment with the Soyuz 0-17: https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/long-road-back-masterHere's a vocal done with the one of Jermy Gillespie's U47's. Please raise the volume on this one accordingly, the other track has been mastered by jcoutou. https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/mic-shootout-2-mic-1You're a Soyuz fan?
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