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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 16:30:50 GMT -6
so it's time to some acoustic treatment. I read a lot about bass traps and I decided to go the DIY route building a frame, filling it with rockwool covered with fabric or cotton and placing them on corners in a 45 degrees angle. the idea: i'm concerned about the frame. Drilling some holes in a wood frame increases absorbing surface so what about a cheap Ikea bookshelf without sideframes? Just bare metal structure like this... ikea hyllis bookshelf
I know it can be done with plywood but i don't want to do a lot of drilling when i can get the same results just by using this structure. At this price point is difficult to beat
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Post by winetree on Apr 9, 2017 18:25:28 GMT -6
If you completely fill it with rock wool, Safe n Sound, 703, or demin it would work as log as the metal frame does't rattle or vibrate. Make sure you wrap it with some kind of covering to keep in the fibers.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Apr 9, 2017 18:44:39 GMT -6
I built mine using drywall corner bead.... just cut it and bend it at the corners to make two L shaped halves and then rivet them together to make the front frame. Place your rigid fiberglass inside the frame face down on top of a piece of fabric. Then wrap the fabric around and staple to a backing frame made from 1x2s. I copied this design from a popular brand of acoustic treatment.... Very inexpensive and effective way to do it. Let me know if you want more info. I can take pics...
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Post by ericn on Apr 9, 2017 18:49:08 GMT -6
If you don't want to drill your better off buying a some of the angled metal at a home store pre cut to length.
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Post by maq3396 on Apr 10, 2017 16:46:13 GMT -6
mdmitch2...pictures would be great if you dont mind!
Thanks Mac
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 19:33:32 GMT -6
If you completely fill it with rock wool, Safe n Sound, 703, or demin it would work as log as the metal frame does't rattle or vibrate. Make sure you wrap it with some kind of covering to keep in the fibers. I visited Ikea today and this metal bookshelf looks a little flimsy and bass traps should feel sturdy and solid. So I got some wood and rockwool and I'll build some traps. Dimensions will be 135x60x20cm (HxWxD) around 4'height,2'wide,8"depth. Pics soon! Any DIY traps here?
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Post by mdmitch2 on Apr 10, 2017 20:16:26 GMT -6
mdmitch2...pictures would be great if you dont mind! Thanks Mac I can't find the pics from when I built them, but I took some new pics that should help explain.... This is the finished product using 2" 703, but 4" can be done the same way: In this close up, you can see through the muslin fabric a little bit.... notice the drywall corner bead frame: This is the stuff I bought to make the front frame: www.homedepot.com/p/1-1-4-in-x-8-ft-Metal-Corner-Bead-741339/203171469All you do is get some tin snips and a rivet gun, and cut a notch out of the corner bead so that you can fold it into an L shape. Make two of these which, when put together, match the dimensions of your 703, and leave enough extra so that the two L's overlap a little bit. That way you can drill a small hole where they overlap and attach them together with the rivet gun. www.homedepot.com/p/Stanley-10-in-Medium-Duty-Riveter-MR33C/203771504Now you have a nice, light weight, metal frame to create the square look on the outside of the panel. From there, you can pretty much follow the guide below to build the rest of the panel. Note, this design has a built in air gap behind the panel, which will give you better performance than a lot of DIY designs that have no gap between the 703 and the wall. madamebutterface.com/assets/documents/DIY%20Bass%20Traps%20Made%20Easy.pdfThe only modification to the guide above is that you lay your metal frame on top of the fabric, face down, and lay your insulation into the frame before wrapping and stapling the fabric. In the link above, he's managed to make it look pretty decent without the metal frame, but I found it very difficult to make nice looking panels without it.... the 703 is quite soft on the corners, and when you wrap it tightly (as you must), you end up with rounded, inconsistent edges that don't look professional. By the way, if you decide to use muslin, you'll need at least 2 layers or else it's too transparent. A better, slightly more expensive option is use a darker and slightly stretchy fabric.... the stretchiness makes it a little easier to attach without wrinkles. Or go all out and get the fire retardant guilford of maine $$$$ Hope this helps...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 0:34:47 GMT -6
Mdmitch2 wow thanks for this pics.
I'll do the same leaving an air gap between trap and wall. Placing them at the corners in a 45 degrees angle so i suppose some effectiveness increased
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Post by swurveman on Apr 11, 2017 6:53:20 GMT -6
If you completely fill it with rock wool, Safe n Sound, 703, or demin it would work as log as the metal frame does't rattle or vibrate. Make sure you wrap it with some kind of covering to keep in the fibers. I visited Ikea today and this metal bookshelf looks a little flimsy and bass traps should feel sturdy and solid. So I got some wood and rockwool and I'll build some traps. Dimensions will be 135x60x20cm (HxWxD) around 4'height,2'wide,8"depth. Pics soon! Any DIY traps here? I used this construction model in building my DIY Bass traps: DIY-BASS-TRAPS-MADE-EASYI never constructed anything in my life before doing this, but I found this design and implementation very easy to do.
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Post by maq3396 on Apr 11, 2017 6:56:10 GMT -6
Great instructions! Thanks for posting.
Cheers
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Post by svart on Apr 11, 2017 7:32:15 GMT -6
Custom built corner absorbers for the studio:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 9:42:36 GMT -6
I visited Ikea today and this metal bookshelf looks a little flimsy and bass traps should feel sturdy and solid. So I got some wood and rockwool and I'll build some traps. Dimensions will be 135x60x20cm (HxWxD) around 4'height,2'wide,8"depth. Pics soon! Any DIY traps here? I used this construction model in building my DIY Bass traps: DIY-BASS-TRAPS-MADE-EASYI never constructed anything in my life before doing this, but I found this design and implementation very easy to do. Yup! These are the instructions I'm gonna follow
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Post by svart on Apr 12, 2017 7:58:05 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 22:42:07 GMT -6
Really inspiring! I still don't received mineral wool but I built the first frame. Really easy and quick. I got a high density mineral wool for bass traps. I'm aware of possible high frequency reflection so I'll use some foam panels to tame
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 3:00:10 GMT -6
Finally got my bass traps done!
3 panels, 8" (20cm) deep, 24" (60cm) width, 55" (140cm) height. Covered with fabric.
I placed them on front wall (left and air gap between panel and wall) and corners and I'm impressed with improvement: bass is tight and more defined (I couldn't hear any bass before, just kick sub), low mids are not blurry and mids are more articulated. Stereo image is wider and more detailed. Can hear panning easily.
I was thinking about selling my monitors before I started this project and I'm thankful I didn't.
I'll move things around, do some critical listening and place foam panels for first reflection spots on this weekend
May be I need a little more bass traps? Hahaha
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 11:15:21 GMT -6
Okay, so here's a wacky question. You know those photos that get printed on canvas? Would you be able to use one of those, a large one obviously, to front a bass trap (and build a thicker frame behind it)?
I'd think, if so, that would be a pretty cool way to customize/personalize the design if it could work. Or, would that printed canvas material be too stiff to do the job correctly?
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 20, 2017 12:04:06 GMT -6
Okay, so here's a wacky question. You know those photos that get printed on canvas? Would you be able to use one of those, a large one obviously, to front a bass trap (and build a thicker frame behind it)? I'd think, if so, that would be a pretty cool way to customize/personalize the design if it could work. Or, would that printed canvas material be too stiff to do the job correctly? You could screen print or heat press on cotton fabric, which should be easier to work with and more breathable than canvas.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 0:40:07 GMT -6
Okay, so here's a wacky question. You know those photos that get printed on canvas? Would you be able to use one of those, a large one obviously, to front a bass trap (and build a thicker frame behind it)? I'd think, if so, that would be a pretty cool way to customize/personalize the design if it could work. Or, would that printed canvas material be too stiff to do the job correctly? You could screen print or heat press on cotton fabric, which should be easier to work with and more breathable than canvas. I think it would be cheaper using heat press, at least where I live. It's a great idea. I did something similar in the past when i built foam panels using fabric with japanese graphics on them. B Not cheap but worth every penny.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Apr 21, 2017 5:52:19 GMT -6
Okay, so here's a wacky question. You know those photos that get printed on canvas? Would you be able to use one of those, a large one obviously, to front a bass trap (and build a thicker frame behind it)? I'd think, if so, that would be a pretty cool way to customize/personalize the design if it could work. Or, would that printed canvas material be too stiff to do the job correctly? I've used this company for custom fabric printing: www.spoonflower.com/
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 8:11:27 GMT -6
Thanks guys! Yeah, we have a couple of photos printed on canvas and I was just inspecting one and the printed canvas is definitely not breathable, pliable, but not breathable. That spoonflower site looks pretty cool, man. And Japanese prints as the artwork on a few of these would totally rock. Was thinking about a couple of bass traps in just a nice solid burgundy but now I think something simple would leave me wanting.
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Post by svart on Apr 21, 2017 8:19:29 GMT -6
I always use better grade burlap for most of my sound panels. Cheaper than other cloths, but still audio transparent and easy to dye or print on. it also doesn't stretch much, so you can get it nice and tight without the grain showing the stretching effects too much.
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 21, 2017 9:40:37 GMT -6
I'm sure this isn't the cheapest solution but this was a company I was checking out a while back when I was thinking of getting some custom art for my bass cab. The quality looks amazing and I'm sure it would br awesome for a special art piece bass trap. It's done on grill cloth so it's acoustically transparent. woodshedstageart.com/products/grill-cloth/
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