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Post by swurveman on Feb 11, 2017 7:57:40 GMT -6
I have a ton of pedals on a pedalboard, but it's a hassle bending over tweaking them, rearranging them if I want a different chain and dealing with too many different power supplies .
So, I'm thinking of selling my pedals and getting a multi FX box that I can put in a rack on my desk. I'm not looking for a cab simulator, just FX's.
Any recommendations?
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Feb 11, 2017 9:28:05 GMT -6
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Post by swurveman on Feb 11, 2017 9:43:22 GMT -6
the H9 pedal is pretty sweet, and their app to control it is really easy to use. I'd recommend buying a used H9 MAX and a base model H9. when you register 'em to your account, the base model becomes a MAX, so both pedals will have all available algorithms. Why two pedals?
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Post by 79sg on Feb 11, 2017 10:42:53 GMT -6
the H9 pedal is pretty sweet, and their app to control it is really easy to use. I'd recommend buying a used H9 MAX and a base model H9. when you register 'em to your account, the base model becomes a MAX, so both pedals will have all available algorithms. Why two pedals? The H9 can only run 1 algorithm at a time. Since you are wanting to put it in a rack, personally I would go with a used Eclipse. H9 is a great pedal as well.
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Post by swurveman on Feb 11, 2017 10:47:36 GMT -6
The H9 can only run 1 algorithm at a time. Got it. I'm looking for something that can run chains. Anybody heard/use the Fractal FX8. I saw a demo and liked that you can tweak the parameters inside your computer. I'm looking for sound and convenience.
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 11, 2017 11:59:27 GMT -6
What about a fast interface + laptop and main-stage using your regular studio plug ins in the fx aux?
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Post by 79sg on Feb 11, 2017 12:45:52 GMT -6
Instead of selling your pedals maybe look into a pedal switcher so you can set up different effect chains with your existing pedals? Maybe keep your pedals and check out Exponential Audio Excalibur which Is awesome as is Valhalla Ubermod (probably both however). I once briefly considered the path you're contemplating but I get very frustrated with unending menus and without starting an analog vs digital debate I would never get rid of my analog pedals. Nothing like them (to me). Plus history told me I would most likely go full circle
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Post by swurveman on Feb 12, 2017 10:31:49 GMT -6
What about a fast interface + laptop and main-stage using your regular studio plug ins in the fx aux? I've got a low latency interface - RME AES 32. However, if I want to hear effects on a Cubase channel I have to disable direct monitoring and click on the channel monitoring button which produces latency.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Feb 12, 2017 10:53:39 GMT -6
Yeah, some kind of pedal switcher which has midi programming capabilities. Hopefully a lot of your pedals have midi ports which let your program the effect chains you hate having to retweak
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Post by stratboy on Feb 12, 2017 12:59:43 GMT -6
Instead of selling your pedals maybe look into a pedal switcher so you can set up different effect chains with your existing pedals? Maybe keep your pedals and check out Exponential Audio Excalibur which Is awesome as is Valhalla Ubermod (probably both however). I once briefly considered the path you're contemplating but I get very frustrated with unending menus and without starting an analog vs digital debate I would never get rid of my analog pedals. Nothing like them (to me). Plus history told me I would most likely go full circle About ten years ago I contemplated what you are thinking about. I went to GC and several local stores and tried most of what was on the market at the time. It was almost all buzzy crap, imo. One that stood out was the Sansamp fly rig. That thing had some balls. Maybe the technology is better now.
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Post by swurveman on Feb 12, 2017 13:16:34 GMT -6
Yeah, some kind of pedal switcher which has midi programming capabilities. Hopefully a lot of your pedals have midi ports which let your program the effect chains you hate having to retweak Very few of my pedals have midi ports. The pedal switcher solves the chain problem, but I'd still have to tweak each of the pedals for tone/distortion/delay time etc. I am surprised there aren't many advocates of digital FX boxes. I've never owned one, but I'll have to demo some and then a/b them with my pedals. Thanks for your thoughts.
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Post by popmann on Feb 12, 2017 14:58:41 GMT -6
You're not talking about playing live....right? So, there's nothing that says that the "pedal board" needs to live on the floor. A sliding platform or shelf means you don't have ot bend to adjust. Problem one solved.
You pedals need to be running of a single regulated power supply, particularly for recording quality? VoodooLabs makes great ones. Problem two solved.
A rack built studio multiFX introduces OTHER issues....the only ones that usually won't ARE the modelers--AxeFX, POD HD etc---those that will both take in AND....AND put out amp level and impedance. Otherwise, you're going to buy a more expensive (than the shelf and PS) box to interface studio rack effects into an actual amp scenario.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Feb 12, 2017 14:58:57 GMT -6
I think anything decent would be expensive, like a kemper
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Feb 12, 2017 18:26:07 GMT -6
I'm assuming that this would be for recording with an amp and cab. If you are then something that does 4 cable hookup a modeler is probably is the best bet.
If you are crazy about effects and are only looking at it for guitar then an AxeFx is the obvious choice. I use to have the TC rack unit years ago but the Axefx took over when the original came out.
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Post by donr on Feb 12, 2017 18:43:57 GMT -6
I have a Line6 M9 which I use when I don't use my stage rig. The effects sound good and the output is stereo. Accepts mod pedals for more control. Lots of preset memory for favorite combinations.
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Post by stratboy on Feb 13, 2017 9:30:05 GMT -6
Yeah, some kind of pedal switcher which has midi programming capabilities. Hopefully a lot of your pedals have midi ports which let your program the effect chains you hate having to retweak Very few of my pedals have midi ports. The pedal switcher solves the chain problem, but I'd still have to tweak each of the pedals for tone/distortion/delay time etc. I am surprised there aren't many advocates of digital FX boxes. I've never owned one, but I'll have to demo some and then a/b them with my pedals. Thanks for your thoughts. There aren't many supporters because they don't soond all that great, especially distortion sounds. There's a reason for the huge revival of boutique analog pedals. I liked the FlyRig because it was an all analog multi-effect pedal. Sansamp discontinued it.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 13, 2017 9:56:06 GMT -6
Very few of my pedals have midi ports. The pedal switcher solves the chain problem, but I'd still have to tweak each of the pedals for tone/distortion/delay time etc. I am surprised there aren't many advocates of digital FX boxes. I've never owned one, but I'll have to demo some and then a/b them with my pedals. Thanks for your thoughts. There aren't many supporters because they don't soond all that great, especially distortion sounds. There's a reason for the huge revival of boutique analog pedals. I liked the FlyRig because it was an all analog multi-effect pedal. Sansamp discontinued it. Fly rig is still around with a bunch of different versions, even a bass one.
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Post by Ward on Feb 13, 2017 10:21:28 GMT -6
digital control of all analog tone mod circuits would be key, and have 6-10 "slots" for interchangeable modules, like a 500 series rack, a standardized size format.
Be able to put analog or digital modules into it, and have them all digitally controlled, and assignable into presets.
If someone does that? They'll be rich beyond their wildest dreams.
And of course, then the gold rush will be on for pedal modders to take your Keeley 4 knob, Zen Drive, AC overdrive, DC overdrive, Tube Screamer, Carbon Copy, Distortion plus, Super Overdrive, Timeline etc and mod them so they can fit into the new chassis system.
I've been dying for that system. No one in that business out there seems smart enough to think of this idea.
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Post by WKG on Feb 13, 2017 10:41:04 GMT -6
I used to use a TC G-Force years ago and it worked well. I've got an Axe-FX and the effects are very nice though I don't use much more than a bit of reverb and some delay.
If I was looking for an all in one effects only box I'd probably grab their FX8. It's programmable, MIDI I/O, USB, software editor etc.
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Post by stratboy on Feb 13, 2017 10:53:28 GMT -6
There aren't many supporters because they don't soond all that great, especially distortion sounds. There's a reason for the huge revival of boutique analog pedals. I liked the FlyRig because it was an all analog multi-effect pedal. Sansamp discontinued it. Fly rig is still around with a bunch of different versions, even a bass one. Cool! On the Sansamp site, I found it under legacy products, so I assumed...
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 13, 2017 11:01:45 GMT -6
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Post by stratboy on Feb 13, 2017 11:17:02 GMT -6
Nice! If I was in the market, I would go to the store and see if the bass version would work for me. It has lots of cool features.
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Post by ericn on Feb 13, 2017 12:37:19 GMT -6
Sansamp is pretty much the standard & pretty affordable.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Feb 14, 2017 19:59:36 GMT -6
digital control of all analog tone mod circuits would be key, and have 6-10 "slots" for interchangeable modules, like a 500 series rack, a standardized size format. Be able to put analog or digital modules into it, and have them all digitally controlled, and assignable into presets. If someone does that? They'll be rich beyond their wildest dreams. And of course, then the gold rush will be on for pedal modders to take your Keeley 4 knob, Zen Drive, AC overdrive, DC overdrive, Tube Screamer, Carbon Copy, Distortion plus, Super Overdrive, Timeline etc and mod them so they can fit into the new chassis system. I've been dying for that system. No one in that business out there seems smart enough to think of this idea. While this is a fantastic idea, how do you handle the "stomp" part of the stomp box? Are you thinking it would use an external midi pedal board with all the foot switches?
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Post by Ward on Feb 15, 2017 0:05:31 GMT -6
digital control of all analog tone mod circuits would be key, and have 6-10 "slots" for interchangeable modules, like a 500 series rack, a standardized size format. Be able to put analog or digital modules into it, and have them all digitally controlled, and assignable into presets. If someone does that? They'll be rich beyond their wildest dreams. And of course, then the gold rush will be on for pedal modders to take your Keeley 4 knob, Zen Drive, AC overdrive, DC overdrive, Tube Screamer, Carbon Copy, Distortion plus, Super Overdrive, Timeline etc and mod them so they can fit into the new chassis system. I've been dying for that system. No one in that business out there seems smart enough to think of this idea. While this is a fantastic idea, how do you handle the "stomp" part of the stomp box? Are you thinking it would use an external midi pedal board with all the foot switches? A unique floor controller unit, could be connected via midi, sure. That has hard and soft switches on it for satisfyingly solid stomps!
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