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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 12, 2017 20:14:23 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 12, 2017 20:22:31 GMT -6
ya they released that about a year ago at last NAMM I thought, seweet but expensive
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 12, 2017 21:55:33 GMT -6
I thought it was pretty cheap...$3400? But I guess it doesn't have input xformers on every channel.
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Post by noah shain on Jan 13, 2017 1:04:23 GMT -6
Less than a hundred bucks a channel. It's pretty sexy. Is it chips @johnkenn ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 13, 2017 3:32:54 GMT -6
my bad I think I confused this with what must be an 8 channel pre as I remember a much more expensive price 6-7 grand USD ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 13, 2017 3:34:40 GMT -6
The transformer based class A output stage is able to deliver a full +26dBu output.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 4:27:36 GMT -6
Looks like an expanded API 8200a but in a Neve style.
Looks cool..
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Post by bartacusad on Jan 13, 2017 6:54:29 GMT -6
Man that looks killer!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 13, 2017 7:10:32 GMT -6
Looks killer, but I think it's basically 32 channels of passive summing with a pair of Neve style line drivers for make up gain.
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Post by jeromemason on Jan 13, 2017 9:17:01 GMT -6
Looks killer, but I think it's basically 32 channels of passive summing with a pair of Neve style line drivers for make up gain. That be it. It has some functionality in there but basically if you wanted the sound.... All you'd do is get 2 fulcrums and run it into a pair of Neve style preamps. Mucho cheaper.
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Post by rocinante on Jan 13, 2017 9:47:03 GMT -6
Its the mixer im building to the tee minus the db25 in which i used 1/4" cause of my relay selection. I want to see the insides. Bad.
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Post by EmRR on Jan 13, 2017 9:50:01 GMT -6
I think that's an oversimplification. All those inputs, sends, and returns have to be active. This is a small format console, not clear what the other actives are at all. The only passive summing is the 4 groups.
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Post by rocinante on Jan 13, 2017 9:50:42 GMT -6
I bet you its an op amp channel into the ba283s just like i did. Something needs to drive the fader, pan, and aux. I bet its an ic based or minimalist neve circuit per channel.
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Post by ericn on Jan 13, 2017 13:28:27 GMT -6
I bet you its an op amp channel into the ba283s just like i did. Something needs to drive the fader, pan, and aux. I bet its an ic based or minimalist neve circuit per channel. From the description I'm betting you nailed except no aux, just insert and passive summed groups. I wonder if the insert is pre or post fader? If it's pre fader, it could be a simple patch point, it's all line level so it could be there just to look cool on the comparison sheet. Your feeding it with line level so you could simply put a patchbay between what ever is feeding it and the input , you would have an instant insert, Would not be surprised if that is what they did internally and just put a switch in! The fact that there is no mention of the circuit for the pan and fader and the passive summing to the groups, not bucket brigade 1072 and no mention of input iron makes me think more and more you nailed it! It do look cool though!
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Post by brucerothwell on Jan 13, 2017 14:20:49 GMT -6
Oh, this is the sort of thing I almost had custom built, when I was still trying to do analog summing.
It features not only ability to use a send/return on every input channel, but also in the 4 subgroups.
Think of doing sub-group summing on the drums/bass + guitars + keys + plus vox, then summed into a 2bus.
It is very much like having an 8-bus section + master section of an analog console.
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Post by rocinante on Jan 13, 2017 19:33:57 GMT -6
In comparison they are both similar but obviously the heritage has 32 channels. Mine has 9; 7 mono and 1 stereo. 4 channels have JLM DOA's and 5 have app 992 DOA's. The monitor outs and aux return also use JLM DOA's and amps. Like the heritage every channel has an switchable insert and mute as well as pan and aux. Where they differ is the master section. I was going to build an add on master control section but opted to make it more comprehensive like a real mixer. And all summed through stereo neve 1272 clones. I'm still troubleshooting but its getting there. It will be using carnhill input transformers and ea-1166 output. I've designed and will begin building an 8 channel 2u module that can be added once im done with it that will attach via db25. I've also been playing around a good deal with midi control and have some decent ideas *edit:So Iv'e been debating recallable automated rotary knobs on a 2u add on and making every channel have helios eq that would be a db25 connected 3u add on*. At any rate its almost there.
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Post by rocinante on Jan 14, 2017 3:15:45 GMT -6
I sat at my console for weeks trying various group outs of the daw to see how many channels i need. In the daw template I have each of my channels sent to a bus and have had it like that for years. I group in the daw even though i have a console cause i find it easier to manage (believe it or not),i like the added flexibility, and i can definitely sometimes get up there in channel count. 32 is a nice number. I feel like all the bases would be covered. But when it comes down to it i can make (imo) just as good of a mix using 1 to 2 stereo tracks and 8 mono. I got so accustomed to it as a matter of fact that even though i can have 24 out i often opt for 9-14.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 14, 2017 15:35:06 GMT -6
great job!
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