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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 7, 2017 7:07:54 GMT -6
Ok...this is something I always wanted to know, but never tested with my own ears except for microphones and guitar cables. dsub25 snakes here... I realize that the way they are assembled and the quality of wire and rubber...yada yada yada...Mogami, Pro-co, Canare. Who makes the Avid cables? Does anyone know the quality of them?( minus the Avid comments on their other products they make please, I realize this isn't ughmmm, the other site, but thought I would throw that out there anyway. However, we can have fun, right?) Avid is a software/hardware company, duh, however you would think the cables that they have another company manufacture would be decent? I got a killer deal on some Avid cables and they look decent in construction and are colored to my liking for looking behind the rack for easy indentification. The sales guy said Pro-co has a better warranty and he doesn't know the construction or who makes the Avid cables, and suggested I go with Pro-co for warranty reasons. I can stretch to canare or mogami, but would rather not spend $1000 on 4 cables. I really like the color on the Avid cables. I also am thinking about sound quality, I was going to just get the top wire I can afford and just do them myself, but I have never done db-25 cables and I hear they are a pain to solder. Is the audio quality between cables discernible? These will be moving audio from my DAW to my outboard and back into my analog chain for mastering, so I might just spend the extra money...tired of searching and not finding any answers I can trust.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 7, 2017 8:10:43 GMT -6
I can only speak on building db25 cables. Each one i built took me about 2-3 hours. You'll need one of these: seriously, don't even bother trying to make them unless you own that tool.
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Post by stratboy on Jan 7, 2017 9:03:17 GMT -6
I can only speak on building db25 cables. Each one i built took me about 2-3 hours. You'll need one of these: seriously, don't even bother trying to make them unless you own that tool. Thumbs up. I have an older one of these. Used it for years. It's a seriously great tool.
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Post by 79sg on Jan 7, 2017 9:32:10 GMT -6
I have used the Planet Waves db25 core cables connecting my 2 Metric Halo Uln-8's to patchbays for years with zero issues. Also have and used the accompanying breakout cables with them prior to installing the patchbays. Not expensive and work great. Use them in our mastering chain as well. I've compared them to the other db25 snakes Redco made for me and cannot hear any difference. The runs are short however, 5-10 feet. I make all of my own cables except the db25's.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Jan 7, 2017 11:08:13 GMT -6
I've also had good luck with the planet waves db25s. You can also buy the ones with db25 on both ends and cut them in half and add your xlr or TRS or whatever on the other end. If you do that, make sure to verify the numbering on the cables relative to the connector. Mine were backwards.
Building your own db25s is a hassle, but definitely possible even without the crimping tool. I've soldered a bunch of them... just use plenty of heat shrink and be extremely careful to follow the tascam pinout, or you'll end up re-doing the whole thing. It can be a little confusing the way the pins are organized.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 7, 2017 11:54:08 GMT -6
Does anyone know what company builds Avid's DB-25 cables? I really like the colored wire scheme, and it looks like decent wire in the photo. And it looks as if there is a good extension of wire that is separated from the sleeve. Actually looks like 2 feet before the cables go all together. That helps with stretching cables to outboard in the racks.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 7, 2017 12:05:39 GMT -6
Does anyone know what company builds Avid's DB-25 cables? I really like the colored wire scheme, and it looks like decent wire in the photo. And it looks as if there is a good extension of wire that is separated from the sleeve. Actually looks like 2 feet before the cables go all together. That helps with stretching cables to outboard in the racks. Do you have any of their cables or just looking online? I have some and could take pictures or something if that helps.
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Post by ericn on Jan 7, 2017 13:09:39 GMT -6
Unless you have a problem I have to say this chase isn't going to lead to somewhere you like. Avid has probably used a bunch of OEMS over the years most of whom you probably have never heard of because their business is building cable assemblies for all kinds of uses out side of audio. Unless you know wire, not audio Brands of wire the answers are going to mean nothing to you.
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Post by svart on Jan 7, 2017 18:38:02 GMT -6
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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 7, 2017 21:21:26 GMT -6
DB25 to XLR(M) x2 and DB25 to XLR Female x2 16 channel summing I/O If you notice the cable actually says digidesign on it!!! lol Attachments:
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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 7, 2017 21:25:17 GMT -6
Does anyone know what company builds Avid's DB-25 cables? I really like the colored wire scheme, and it looks like decent wire in the photo. And it looks as if there is a good extension of wire that is separated from the sleeve. Actually looks like 2 feet before the cables go all together. That helps with stretching cables to outboard in the racks. Do you have any of their cables or just looking online? I have some and could take pictures or something if that helps. I appreciate the offer of taking pics, however that isn't necessary, thanks. Do you like them, and are they holding up? I figured you probably had them a while? maybe? I was pricing the Mogami already made and they are a ridiculous $250 a cable. That is $1000 for cables. I can get a 96 TT patchbay with cables for that, but I don't want to add more wire than I need, nor am going to use. I like the less is more approach. I went with the Pro-Co, but am still thinking I want to go with the Digidesign cables if wire doesn't mean anything. Just build quality and shielding?
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Post by ericn on Jan 7, 2017 21:40:14 GMT -6
Price it as a redco custom cable, or check with Clair brothers used gear they had some Avid Pinout D subs ! I will admit to liking the Planet waves Dsub, but I build my own solderd D sub brake outs.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 7, 2017 21:45:48 GMT -6
Planet Waves are the cheapest, but I am hearing some great things, however I need at least 12 ft lengths. Redco seems to be the best deal, but possibly a two week wait, but they are around $120 each with good cable and build quality, but really don't know until I call them. That cable builder is not working in my browser, I just added more $ for the connectors to get a ballpark.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Jan 7, 2017 21:56:31 GMT -6
ZenPro Audio will build custom DB25's with mogami, with comparable pricing to redco. They've been able to build me some very quickly in the past... give Warren a call.
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Post by drbill on Jan 7, 2017 21:57:00 GMT -6
$ 94.70 from Redco with their proprietary cable - very good - and Neutrik XLR's. Mogami would run you another 15 or so per cable.
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Post by Ward on Jan 7, 2017 23:56:54 GMT -6
$ 94.70 from Redco with their proprietary cable - very good - and Neutrik XLR's. Mogami would run you another 15 or so per cable. I might be the last guy to prefer Switchcraft cannon plugs, but so be it. The Neutriks just aren't as solid. IME
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 8, 2017 0:20:35 GMT -6
$ 94.70 from Redco with their proprietary cable - very good - and Neutrik XLR's. Mogami would run you another 15 or so per cable. I might be the last guy to prefer Switchcraft cannon plugs, but so be it. The Neutriks just aren't as solid. IME I prefer Switchcraft as well. I don't like Neuitrik's strain relief system. The Switchcradt set screws are a PITA, but they grip the cable and don't work loose.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 8, 2017 6:58:09 GMT -6
Thanks guys for the overwhelming response. I really appreciate it. I can always count on the RGO guys to contribute! I will be toiling with my setup for probably a week of downtime dialing her end. Lol...in. doh!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 8, 2017 8:44:10 GMT -6
Do you have any of their cables or just looking online? I have some and could take pictures or something if that helps. I appreciate the offer of taking pics, however that isn't necessary, thanks. Do you like them, and are they holding up? I figured you probably had them a while? maybe? I was pricing the Mogami already made and they are a ridiculous $250 a cable. That is $1000 for cables. I can get a 96 TT patchbay with cables for that, but I don't want to add more wire than I need, nor am going to use. I like the less is more approach. I went with the Pro-Co, but am still thinking I want to go with the Digidesign cables if wire doesn't mean anything. Just build quality and shielding? I'm satisfied with them, but I'm not a cable snob either. I use shitty Neutrik and DBX TRS patchbays. Cheap GLS cables. Cheap trs patch cables (Musician's Friend special). I like how the Avid are colored and numbered, but they come with some oddball names on them. You don't pick the names or anything, so I have some labeled Insert In, Group 6, etc. I have my Tonelux Tilt and my Radial 500 box connected with them. The radial box gets connected and disconnected regularly when I take it to remote gigs. Smooth sailing with the cables and the price was right at Alto.
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Post by Ward on Jan 8, 2017 9:26:15 GMT -6
Thanks guys for the overwhelming response. I really appreciate it. I can always count on the RGO guys to contribute! I will be toiling with my setup for probably a week of downtime dialing her end. Lol...in. doh! Yeah you can always count on us mouthy bunch of opinionated impertinent douche nozzles. (well, some of us)
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Post by svart on Jan 8, 2017 10:34:17 GMT -6
Why would anyone pay for new cables? Just look around on eBay and reverb and you'll find tons of used cables for pennies on the dollar.
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Post by drbill on Jan 8, 2017 11:13:02 GMT -6
$ 94.70 from Redco with their proprietary cable - very good - and Neutrik XLR's. Mogami would run you another 15 or so per cable. I might be the last guy to prefer Switchcraft cannon plugs, but so be it. The Neutriks just aren't as solid. IME Then order it with Switchcrafts. It will be a dollar or two different at the most. I'm not a Neutrik salesman. Just trying to give guitfiddler an idea of the costs from Redco.
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Post by Ward on Jan 8, 2017 18:16:49 GMT -6
Nothing but love, drbill, just mentioning that it seems to me that s'witchcraft don't get the love that Neutrik does, and I was proferring they have a better product.
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Post by drbill on Jan 8, 2017 18:45:31 GMT -6
Nothing but love, drbill , just mentioning that it seems to me that s'witchcraft don't get the love that Neutrik does, and I was proferring they have a better product. Understood. I just wanted to make sure the guitfiddler knew that there were cheap(er), excellent quality options available for him.
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Post by ericn on Jan 8, 2017 18:59:06 GMT -6
Nothing but love, drbill, just mentioning that it seems to me that s'witchcraft don't get the love that Neutrik does, and I was proferring they have a better product. For years Switchcraft tried to grow their buissnes outside of Audio, Neutrik jumped in and also gave distributors better pricing. Neutrik' s simplicity and need for less tools are very attractive to the large scale live and broadcast market where often fix it quick is the motto. Neutrik also offers more option as far as PCB mounted jacks. In my years working for a master distributor for both I saw the guys from Neutrik at least a couple of times of a year and they were always interested in what I and my customers needed, Never saw the guys from Switchcraft make the 3 hour drive or buy me lunch!
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