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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 3, 2017 13:59:58 GMT -6
Well, I think they would argue that the adda is as good. I haven't compared to the Symphony, although I have the idea that the Symphony is better.
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Post by donr on Jan 3, 2017 14:18:21 GMT -6
Think about what a success the Apollo line is even as everybody bitches about the tethering and shortcomings of the SHARC DSP. Nothing wrong with the software, really. I wonder why somebody else doesn't build onboard no latency VST/AU plug capability into their audio interface.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jan 3, 2017 14:19:58 GMT -6
I agree with Johnkenn and kcatthedog I don't see why each Apollo has different converters... Each converter chip will require a specified circuit, which means the circuitry, which may be similar or if same quality, however different in specs and real world use. Even those who have the flagship say the new Symphony modules are the most dynamic and transparent yet... Members here say the mk1 symphony is stronger than Apollo mk2 however that could be preference / subjective... I want UA to be successful, I invested in their company and my studio revolves around my Apollo... I put my hard earned $ where my mouth was and it has not been easy and it took awhile for UA to troubleshoot my random errors, to which the customer service was great in aiding me! With their help and firmware updates, customer service had me good to go and I have been very stable on 32 bit PT.. I know CS is a service that costs UA, in which I pay for via purchasing their products... I am looking forward to what UA does this year, I feel ithe ball has been in their corner for awhile, it's time to see them run some plays so to speak 🤠😬 |
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Post by swurveman on Jan 3, 2017 15:10:46 GMT -6
It doesn't surprise me that they're lowering their entry to plugins. Slate has really changed the game with his all everything pricing, while- after you buy UAD's device- you're looking at $200-$300 per plugin. I have a UAD PCIE Quad which came with their classic plugins. If I was getting into the plugin game today there's no way I'd pay the premium for UAD today.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 3, 2017 16:18:22 GMT -6
Well, I think they would argue that the adda is as good. I haven't compared to the Symphony, although I have the idea that the Symphony is better. the AD is the same its the difference between top and second from the top of the line DA converters. The manufacturing company thinks them different enough to give them different designations so sonically I believe there are differences. how significant that is I dont know and I would rather not even have to consider it  @ swerveman don't know how many times I have to say this but nobody needs to pay over $200 a UA plug, you can go to the store right now and buy a 3/399 bundle and get the $300 plugs for $133 each. Whether you think that god value or not well I an't say. Anyway the point of the thread was just to let people know they could save money on UA products which is nice. I wasn't advocating that anybody become a ua client or anything: kind of a weird thread now , feel like we drank from the GS cool aid or something |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 3, 2017 17:03:30 GMT -6
Don't think it's weird at all
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Post by swurveman on Jan 3, 2017 18:31:14 GMT -6
Well, I think they would argue that the adda is as good. I haven't compared to the Symphony, although I have the idea that the Symphony is better. @ swerveman don't know how many times I have to say this but nobody needs to pay over $200 a UA plug, you can go to the store right now and buy a 3/399 bundle and get the $300 plugs for $133 each. Whether you think that god value or not well I an't say. Thanks, but what store are you talking about? I just went to the UAD store and it's 3 for $699.00 |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 3, 2017 19:02:33 GMT -6
Ya they were 3/399 this morning but apparently they raised them back up during the day sorry for the wild goose chase. They had them discounted for the whole month of December!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jan 3, 2017 19:14:52 GMT -6
Ya they were 3/399 this morning but apparently they raised them back up during the day sorry for the wild goose chase. They had them discounted for the whole month of December! What prices on what products were lowered? Any links? I'm confused now, I thought you said plugs, dsp devices ( satellite & octo ), plus Apollo twin interfaces had their prices lowered starting the new year.... Did they just extend the plug sale for two days? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 3, 2017 19:36:47 GMT -6
The price of twins, satellites and cards have been lowered 3-600 usd if you check at sweetwater
Yes, UA just finished its Christmas sale plus for the month of December they were offering the custom registration bundles prices 0f 3/399, 6/700 and 10/1199 , these prices are normally only available when you are registering a new apollo rack unit.
They were supposed to end Dec. 31 but they were live on the UA site till sometime this morning but are now back up to 3/699 etc..
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 4, 2017 12:12:51 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Jan 4, 2017 12:27:18 GMT -6
Think about what a success the Apollo line is even as everybody bitches about the tethering and shortcomings of the SHARC DSP. Nothing wrong with the software, really. I wonder why somebody else doesn't build onboard no latency VST/AU plug capability into their audio interface. The money is in closed systems Also not sure If the investment to write the code to run Plugs that run native on Intel on DSP would pay off, or those who lic VST or AU would go for it! Nothing worse than investing a ton on developing a product and having somebody pull the rug out from under you. Look at all the small companies do quite well on their own flavor of DSP. , Keep in mind any interface with a low latency mixer has built in DSP, this always seams to escape those who seam to be anti DSP, pro Native purists. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 4, 2017 12:30:34 GMT -6
I agree with Johnkenn and kcatthedog I don't see why each Apollo has different converters... Each converter chip will require a specified circuit, which means the circuitry, which may be similar or if same quality, however different in specs and real world use. Even those who have the flagship say the new Symphony modules are the most dynamic and transparent yet... Members here say the mk1 symphony is stronger than Apollo mk2 however that could be preference / subjective... I want UA to be successful, I invested in their company and my studio revolves around my Apollo... I put my hard earned $ where my mouth was and it has not been easy and it took awhile for UA to troubleshoot my random errors, to which the customer service was great in aiding me! With their help and firmware updates, customer service had me good to go and I have been very stable on 32 bit PT.. I know CS is a service that costs UA, in which I pay for via purchasing their products... I am looking forward to what UA does this year, I feel ithe ball has been in their corner for awhile, it's time to see them run some plays so to speak 🤠😬 I'll bet 3 big factors at play in the choice of different converter chips 1 price point. 2 circuit density/ cooling 3 It is often good not to be tied to one supplier. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 4, 2017 13:41:34 GMT -6
Btw UA seems to be giving everyone a $50 coupon for January
also, there seems to be an email from UA indicating they will stop the half price upgrade to mkii plugs ins ?
I haven't seen the email so can't confirm this: seems misguided to me ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 14:10:50 GMT -6
Think about what a success the Apollo line is even as everybody bitches about the tethering and shortcomings of the SHARC DSP. Nothing wrong with the software, really. I wonder why somebody else doesn't build onboard no latency VST/AU plug capability into their audio interface. The money is in closed systems Also not sure If the investment to write the code to run Plugs that run native on Intel on DSP would pay off, or those who lic VST or AU would go for it! Nothing worse than investing a ton on developing a product and having somebody pull the rug out from under you. Look at all the small companies do quite well on their own flavor of DSP. , Keep in mind any interface with a low latency mixer has built in DSP, this always seams to escape those who seam to be anti DSP, pro Native purists. I don't think any of us are anti DSP, personally couldn't give a crap in the slightest. It's whatever works best, thing is I can run a lot of native plugs without coming anywhere near taxing the CPU.. But it would be cheaper to buy a sattelite than it would be to buy said CPU, what are the 5960X's going for these days? *quick search*.. About $1200.00. Generally people won't go to the lengths of Xeon's or top of the line I7's, because you could buy an audio interface with DSP for that sort of money.. Especially not in the MAC world as a pro cost's many thousands.. |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jan 4, 2017 22:17:52 GMT -6
Btw UA seems to be giving everyone a $50 coupon for January also, there seems to be an email from UA indicating they will stop the half price upgrade to mkii plugs ins ? I haven't seen the email so can't confirm this: seems misguided to me ? Wow charging full price for upgrade plugins wow I hope not... I just went over how they make hand 🤚 over fist 👊 Plugin $ wise when I typed out the math regarding their pricing structure... I didn't include the " dsp card/ satellite " cost, just plugins prices... if ppl were not motivated to buy an upgrade at $99 why would they be eager at full price... UAD hustling backwards if this move is true... |
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Post by Guitar on Jan 5, 2017 8:45:06 GMT -6
Sweetwater has the Apollo Twins marked down with "While supplies last." Does that imply that the thunderbolt twins are being discontinued and replaced with something new?
I guess NAMM is right around the corner.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 5, 2017 8:53:26 GMT -6
Peeps at UA forum think a new quad twin will drop and UA will stop producing the solo/duo. They also think, if the new sort of dual core sharc's have been used, then maybe also a 16 dsp power card (8 of the new chips)and satellite may drop too ?
yup namm in about 2 weeks.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 5, 2017 9:00:02 GMT -6
In terms of the full price for the mkii, I get the frustration, but peeps have had 2-3 years to buy them. I have them all and thought the legacy was free and even at full upgrade price of $90 or so, UA was typically giving you 2-3 new plugs so the unit price was more like $30-50, plus you kept the legacy.
Over the last 2 years UA has given people the chance to use the bundle low cost pricing 3/399 etc., I think 4-6 times, so I think they will probably do that again so that would be the time to buy or now with the coupon as its the best price.
In term so the bad timing, I wonder what else they may drop at NAMM (in 2 weeks), maybe some mkiii plugs and then this pricing change may make more sense ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 5, 2017 9:03:16 GMT -6
Sweetwater has the Apollo Twins marked down with "While supplies last." Does that imply that the thunderbolt twins are being discontinued and replaced with something new? I guess NAMM is right around the corner. I wonder if they'll go Thunderbolt3/USB-C. Apple effectively abandoned the Thunderbolt2/MiniDisplayport connector style and everyone is going USB-C now. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 6, 2017 6:58:28 GMT -6
btw the official blurb n the UA site says this is until march 31st or when supplies run out, so seems to lend credence to the idea that they are running out old stock that will be replaced with something(s) new from NAMM 17 ?
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Post by ericn on Jan 7, 2017 22:39:54 GMT -6
Do realize often a manufacturer will run a price special so dealers put in a nice order before a show where they don't have anything new!
The blurb about supplies means that if the dealer buys before the end date and has units on hand after the last day of the sale they can sell them at the lower price.
It also means if say Fullco bought a bunch and they are moving at the sale price they could be convinced to place a bigger order at the show! Imagine if Full co says " I'll take all the units you have at this price if you throw in free freight!" I have seen this many times.
The problem UA has is that the dealer sells the Box , but the dealer makes nothing on all the plugins bought in the future, so not something that makes sense to stock or push, BUT if the sale price is moving boxes you have to place an order and if you can corner the deal and make it almost exclusive...
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