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Post by sozocaps on Dec 29, 2016 16:52:22 GMT -6
Two questions... What do ya think ? Has a Shannon Rhoades Capsule... Second quests how would you eq this VOX to get the most out of it... Serena River Chorus.mp3 (277.87 KB)
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Post by M57 on Dec 29, 2016 17:24:10 GMT -6
I like this game. I wanted to get my solution in early because I'm a hack.. I took about a minute so it's probably a little overdone. If I took any more, I'd probably end up with something completely different. I'm fickle that way. Don't know if I'd do anything down low - It's harder because there's so much other material down there. I found it to be too harsh, so I gave it a broad dip a little below 2k, a light cut around 8k and a shelving boost starting at 3.5k.
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 29, 2016 17:40:31 GMT -6
It may be hard because she is very hot in this mix... Also, I have a Mica Cap off the capsule right now, I may change that to polystyrene it will be a little less hard in the mids if this is the consensus....
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 29, 2016 20:15:50 GMT -6
Pro q2 -3 db at 500 hz -24 or -36 bell, q set to 4 or 5 ( medium )
Hpf around 150 with 36 - 48db Hpf in pro q2, then around 200-250hz I would sweep for boxiness and mud ( nonmusical trash ) lots of 200hz for a female from the eq shot, however you don't want to reduce this area too much, so a -2 to -4 db bell with a -12 to -36 db slope, Q around 3, just to smooth, not remove.
Feel like a little 800-1000 needs some pulling out, maybe a -24db slope bell doing -1.5 to -2db with a q of 2- 3 ( wider )
16-20khz air boost +3db, alternatives could be parallel squashing/ limiting, serial compression, parallel and serial, blue stripe, rev d or E on fastest release, attack around 11 to 1 ( clock style number comparison ) and take off -7 to - 10db ( HW ) UAD i do about -5 GR on Rev A, then another rev A set to -3 to -5 GR. Depending on tempo you can put the rev E after doing slow attack slow release or go for more smoothing with LA2a collection or blanket style level with la3. Or rev E 1 o clock attack, fastest release, into la2a or la3 and have the Rev A donthe parallel squashing!
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Post by Guitar on Dec 30, 2016 8:45:03 GMT -6
Sounds pretty dang good. I think my ear wants to hear some reverb or delay more than anything else.
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Post by gouge on Dec 31, 2016 17:56:16 GMT -6
there are others with more experience than me on this so i'll just throw this out there with the understanding I am guessing.
To me there is an acoustics issue going on. Was this recorded in a vocal booth? looking at the eq graph posted above it looks like there are nulls and comb filtering at play. listening to the track it seems small and boxy.
was this tracked in a vocal booth?
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 31, 2016 18:03:13 GMT -6
That 70-80 hz peak is crazy in the eq shot... ton of LF for a female vocal! Low end rumble from not using hpf?
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Post by M57 on Dec 31, 2016 18:59:40 GMT -6
That 70-80 hz peak is crazy in the eq shot... ton of LF for a female vocal! Low end rumble from not using hpf? No, the track he posted was of the entire mix and it's a bass heavy track. Luckily the vocal was recorded hot. I just focused on the vocal as I was working with the EQ.
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 31, 2016 19:24:11 GMT -6
Yea no room issues at all when tracking... I was mostly wondering on the aesthetic quality/personality of the mic as I am tweaking hi/low eq on the circuit.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 31, 2016 19:29:21 GMT -6
Yea no room issues at all when tracking... I was mostly wondering on the aesthetic quality/personality of the mic as I am tweaking hi/low eq on the circuit. I'm doing the same thing here. RGO strikes me as the 251 forum! I think you might be pretty close on your mic already.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jan 1, 2017 10:44:43 GMT -6
Guitar What vocal nice did you use on your new EP i listened too? Very atmospheric vox on a couple cuts, different, melodic, draws you in. I got a doors type of feel on two of the songs as well. Very cool vibe and if you put about 4 more hours into each mix I think you will have the result you want to " hear " The 251 is an amazing mic and we are lucky to be able to get the quality we can nowadays thru DIY and clones. Happy new year
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Post by Guitar on Jan 1, 2017 11:17:35 GMT -6
Guitar What vocal nice did you use on your new EP i listened too? Very atmospheric vox on a couple cuts, different, melodic, draws you in. I got a doors type of feel on two of the songs as well. Very cool vibe and if you put about 4 more hours into each mix I think you will have the result you want to " hear " The 251 is an amazing mic and we are lucky to be able to get the quality we can nowadays thru DIY and clones. Happy new year Thanks! I certainly could work a lot harder on these songs, in terms of takes and mixing. I just wanted to give people an idea of some of what I'm up to lately. A lot of these lyrics and melodies were written by hitting record and going for it. First take is putting it lightly. Which probably makes the voice not sound so confident and the melody not as distinct as it could be. Most of the drums are 2 mics. Although I do have a 9 mic kit setup ready and tweaked for 2017. Sounds more modern. Vocal mic would have been one of two, maybe three things. One I call the D-276 it's a K67 capsule with de-emphasis in a C-12 circuit. Love that mic, I have two, it's just a jack of all trades kind of thing, works on anything. When I got that mic dialed in, I was so satisfied, it was a 4 year prototyping project. The K67 can give you this wonderful midrange character like nothing else. It is not properly implemented in most of the cheap import mics, which gives that capsule a bad rep. The second would have been maybe the 251 in one of its beta-stages. I am 99% finished today, previous versions were a little iffy in certain ways, mostly sibilance and brightness. Feels good to get this one finished up. That mic is good on my voice, too. When it's not on vocal I love it in front of the bass amp. The third possibility is I might have grabbed a TAB transformer SM57 and sang right into it handheld, into a Mackie preamp. I do that a lot on the more electronic sounding stuff. I don't specifically remember what was used per-song but those are my go-to vocal mic choices for 2016/2017. The tweaked Peluso 2247 SE and formerly an SM7B, or M88TG have also been good to me, but are not preferred lately, just because I have so many options. I do feel spoiled as the mic locker starts to fill out. It's a great feeling. In 2017 I'm probably going to add some 414 and M7 style solid state mics, and possibly a DIY U87. I would also love to do a U47 but that's a very expensive project. Lots of future gear to look forward to.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 3, 2017 18:02:16 GMT -6
Two questions... What do ya think ? Has a Shannon Rhoades Capsule... Second quests how would you eq this VOX to get the most out of it... View AttachmentFinally got a chance to listen in the car. Man, I'm really not sure I would do anything to that circuit. It sounds great
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 3, 2017 18:05:01 GMT -6
Yea no room issues at all when tracking... I was mostly wondering on the aesthetic quality/personality of the mic as I am tweaking hi/low eq on the circuit. I'm doing the same thing here. RGO strikes me as the 251 forum! I think you might be pretty close on your mic already. Now I want a 67
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Post by sozocaps on Jan 3, 2017 18:23:13 GMT -6
67 is a strange bird...
The 67 capsule is VERY tipped up unlike the flatter 47 which only has some mid bump. So for the 67 the output transformer has a special wind to introduce lots of negative feedback to tame and flatten the response of this capsule. I have 2 Shannon Rhodes capsules which sound great, kinda like a 269c but I am playing with the eq circuit in these too. From what I'm gathering to make it flat 1000PF is needed.
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Post by sozocaps on Jan 3, 2017 18:29:04 GMT -6
Two questions... What do ya think ? Has a Shannon Rhoades Capsule... Second quests how would you eq this VOX to get the most out of it... Finally got a chance to listen in the car. Man, I'm really not sure I would do anything to that circuit. It sounds great Yea... nope, it's a little hard and got some mid glare, got some (shhh) new fresh off the press caps going in.
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Post by ericn on Jan 3, 2017 20:37:21 GMT -6
Finally got a chance to listen in the car. Man, I'm really not sure I would do anything to that circuit. It sounds great Yea... nope, it's a little hard and got some mid glare, got some (shhh) new fresh off the press caps going in. I'm with JK, but your the Capacitor guy so ...
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Post by Guitar on Jan 3, 2017 22:53:20 GMT -6
67 is a strange bird... The 67 capsule is VERY tipped up unlike the flatter 47 which only has some mid bump. So for the 67 the output transformer has a special wind to introduce lots of negative feedback to tame and flatten the response of this capsule. I have 2 Shannon Rhodes capsules which sound great, kinda like a 269c but I am playing with the eq circuit in these too. From what I'm gathering to make it flat 1000PF is needed. I used a 1000 pF from plate to ground with my K67 mics. I didn't use any kind of negative feedback. It seems to have worked out quite well this way. My amplifier is basically a C12 with the 1000 pF tacked on so I can use the K67.
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Post by sozocaps on Jan 3, 2017 23:10:19 GMT -6
67 is a strange bird... The 67 capsule is VERY tipped up unlike the flatter 47 which only has some mid bump. So for the 67 the output transformer has a special wind to introduce lots of negative feedback to tame and flatten the response of this capsule. I have 2 Shannon Rhodes capsules which sound great, kinda like a 269c but I am playing with the eq circuit in these too. From what I'm gathering to make it flat 1000PF is needed. I used a 1000 pF from plate to ground with my K67 mics. I didn't use any kind of negative feedback. It seems to have worked out quite well this way. My amplifier is basically a C12 with the 1000 pF tacked on so I can use the K67. It actually works out ALOT better this way. The negative feedback suppresses the output of the tube by like 15db or so. This is exactly what I am doing... How do I do revisions modding the PSU to provide -1 Volt tube bias on pin 4 of the cable? Read more: realgearonline.com/thread/861/check-out-c12s#ixzz4Ulbp3gbg
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