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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 22, 2016 23:16:13 GMT -6
Just watched Sun Studio Sessions on tv ,they had some gobos with perforated ceiling tiles on the front . Anyone have info on what material might be behind the tiles ? Would you still fill with Owens or rock wool or equivalent on side or both?
Edit : just read at Home Depot there tiles have Noise reduction coefficient of 55
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Post by EmRR on Dec 22, 2016 23:19:02 GMT -6
Facetiously, you need the asbestos to get the sound.
I haven't seen that gobo yet.
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 22, 2016 23:47:23 GMT -6
Just a thought what if you filled the frame with say 3inches of tiles then layer of limp mass vinyl then another 3 inches of acoustical tiles , since the perforations are random the holes wouldn't line up. The limp mass would stop sound from going thru the other side.
Just thinking maybe a dumb 💡 idea lol
Edit: maybe acoustical tile held together with green glue?
Hey I'm just spitballing here lol, but what you guys think.?
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Post by gouge on Dec 23, 2016 1:21:49 GMT -6
acoustic tiles are no good.
you might try
timber slats with backing cloth/250mm pink batts/speaker cloth.
now you have a gobo with absorbing on one side and reflecting on the other.
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Post by gouge on Dec 23, 2016 1:30:06 GMT -6
these are diy, they work insanely well. the battens were designed to suit the width of the trap but you could just do it random. Attachments:
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Post by jjinvegas on Dec 23, 2016 10:15:51 GMT -6
Most of the times I thought I needed a gobo it turned out that all it did was make sure that the offending source now had all the high end rolled off, but the most obnoxious frequencies were still there and now the off axis noise was really awful. Natural bleed can be a good thing, compared to that alternative.
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 23, 2016 22:19:42 GMT -6
 Found this partial photo of the sun studio gobo online . They had three on the tv show I watched |
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Post by gouge on Dec 23, 2016 22:28:15 GMT -6
That looks like a bbc designed gobo.
I have the entire manual at home. I use it as a design guide.
Back home in a Fe days. Will upload the images.
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Post by donr on Dec 23, 2016 23:13:40 GMT -6
A lot of 'old timey' recordings sounded like the room it was recorded in, and that wasn't a bad thing to my old timey ears.
If you have NO sense of the acoustic space music was recorded in, how do you establish an auditory emotional connection with the music? Well, you can, and that's what modern mix production should do. But there's no reason to think that no one today wants to hear or identify with the sound of a specific acoustic space emotionally.
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Post by gouge on Dec 23, 2016 23:43:14 GMT -6
A lot of 'old timey' recordings sounded like the room it was recorded in, and that wasn't a bad thing to my old timey ears. If you have NO sense of the acoustic space music was recorded in, how do you establish an auditory emotional connection with the music? Well, you can, and that's what modern mix production should do. But there's no reason to think that no one today wants to hear or identify with the sound of a specific acoustic space emotionally. The problem seems to be that people are trying to use spaces that are too small. Small and live don't work. To get around the issues there becomes a need to apply layers and layers of acoustic traps that improve the sound by removing the room. It comes down to volume of the space. |
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Post by wiz on Dec 24, 2016 2:23:46 GMT -6
Found this partial photo of the sun studio gobo online . They had three on the tv show I watched You know... I put my bottle of coke on top of that very gobo when I was recording there last year... 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by M57 on Dec 24, 2016 8:20:02 GMT -6
The problem seems to be that people are trying to use spaces that are too small. Small and live don't work. To get around the issues there becomes a need to apply layers and layers of acoustic traps that improve the sound by removing the room. It comes down to volume of the space. Yes, that's precisely my problem ..and solution. My home studio is located above my garage so I actually have a reasonable amount of area, but the 8' ceiling is a kiss of death. I use treatment, and lots of it, to try take the room out of the equation. But from there I don't see it as much of a problem, what with all the incredible reverbs that are out there. I can sculpt the space as I please. |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 24, 2016 10:33:59 GMT -6
I have a so called kiss of death 7.5' ceiling, even lower in my previous space. I manage to get room ambience that works. Horizontal dimensions are close to 20' in one direction.
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 24, 2016 10:55:35 GMT -6
I posted this originally because I thought the ceiling tiles on the gobo was something I've not seen .
My previous small space I didn't realize till I moved out that I had deadened the room way to much with absorbing panels.
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Post by gouge on Dec 26, 2016 4:00:27 GMT -6
bbc absorbers with perforated Masonite. |
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Post by svart on Dec 26, 2016 11:00:33 GMT -6
I have a so called kiss of death 7.5' ceiling, even lower in my previous space. I manage to get room ambience that works. Horizontal dimensions are close to 20' in one direction. 8' ceiling here. I actually dropped it a little from almost 9' so I could pack more than a foot of insulation in between the joists. Bought a roll of industrial burlap, added fire resistant chemical and covered up the ceiling with that. That was 70% of the problem. Carefully placed bass traps, and wall absorbers/reflectors finish it out. It's not quite dead, but not alive. More ambiance than room tone. It's only around 350-400sqft yet I get people who choose to come back for drum recording all the time, even when they have large room options to choose from. |
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Post by illacov on Jan 5, 2017 11:02:48 GMT -6
I have about 10' ceilings here that are drop ceilings and nothing above them except a 4' air gap and the next floor up.
I track drums in a space that's this tall and about 1000 sq feet total. Drums sound pretty damn good. I have 20 cubicles that measure 36" by 60" each, but are only about 2" thick with their absorptive material, pressboard backing, metal framing and fabric face. I figure if I double up two into a small frame, get em closer to 78" in height, I'd have a better use out of them. My doors are 84" tall and I want these things to roll in and out of my control room/storage space. But aside from that, those cubicles work damn good and they were free! I even have some that come with glass windows installed inside them, but I'm not sure how well they'll do with a loud band or drums, but I have them. I saw this booth system on youtube where the top of the booth slide over the supporting walls. I think what I'll do is make a smaller add on piece for more height and suspend moving blankets over the top if I want to add some further isolation on top.
BTW my girlfriend played drums with her band The Shakedown at Sunn Studio some years ago. I forget if she's the first woman to ever do so. If not she's one of the first to ever do it.
Thanks
-L.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 6, 2017 20:22:29 GMT -6
Vance has a bunch of that in Sputnik...think he said it was cheap as hell.
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