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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 11, 2016 20:17:20 GMT -6
Just to be clearer about my recording and mixing needs , here is where my 1-2 tracks at a time end up, this is the working mix of my current song "amber": soundcloud.com/kcatthedog/amber-23-b If this only does 2 tracks at a time, I would stay away. I have a couple 2 channel interfaces (Tascam UH-7000). One of them, I keep at my office to do some remote tracking in a booth. 2 outputs is a huge detriment, IME. For example, if I have a guitarist down to layer some guitars, we are both stuck monitoring the same feed. If the guitarist wants a blazing hot click to play along with and I just want to monitor how his part is fitting with the instruments, I'm SOL. Blazing hot click in my ears all day. I'd rather have have too many channels and NEVER use them than have issues where I'm crippled because I don't have enough. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 11, 2016 20:24:23 GMT -6
Very good point. I am very used to having the 8 converters available in my Apollo so it's good to think about the limitations as well as the attributes of the nucleus !
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Post by keymod on Dec 11, 2016 20:37:33 GMT -6
Kcat, do they still make the Matrix?
Maybe that's what you want?
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Post by rocinante on Dec 12, 2016 2:39:16 GMT -6
I hate behringer for the most part. But I was sick of my artist mix being kinda limited and wanted a jog wheel and more control. I thought about the icon but they are big. Then their platform series but then im back to an artist mix. So I sold the artist mix and bought an x-touch and... well.... its great. The firmware upgrade is necessary but it was literally plug and play with a ton of functionality. It takes awhile to get used to notusing a mouse but once you get the hhang of it you can fly through things. There are some eq related stuff that I still reach for the mouse for but once I've intergrated it with my plugs the controller is better. Yep better. Adjusting the q with a knob gets far more detail then dragging it with a mouse.
Its a little too big but im gonna redesign my desk and remove the sides off the x-touch so it sits better in front of the console. Eventually it'll sit below my summing line mixer. Its quiet too. And automation is so far seemless. It really is a great controller and I dont look back at trading the artist mix for it. I do video so the jog wheel is useful too.
I had been eyeing the nucleus forever but in the end despite how much control one gets its just way to much money for what essentially the xtouch can do just as well. Maybe if it had 8-16 adda I'd get one but till then...
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 12, 2016 3:23:55 GMT -6
Ya, the 2 AD DA and a 5 grand cost just seems whacked ?  Have you looked at the new Faderport 8 just out of curiosity ? |
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 12, 2016 4:54:38 GMT -6
I kinda dig this thing. Two SSL mic pres, goes a long way. No other pre's really needed. You gotta be kidding! |
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Post by M57 on Dec 12, 2016 6:21:50 GMT -6
I hate behringer for the most part. But I was sick of my artist mix being kinda limited and wanted a jog wheel and more control. I thought about the icon but they are big. Then their platform series but then im back to an artist mix. So I sold the artist mix and bought an x-touch and... well.... its great. The firmware upgrade is necessary but it was literally plug and play with a ton of functionality. It takes awhile to get used to notusing a mouse but once you get the hhang of it you can fly through things. There are some eq related stuff that I still reach for the mouse for but once I've intergrated it with my plugs the controller is better. Yep better. Adjusting the q with a knob gets far more detail then dragging it with a mouse. Its a little too big but im gonna redesign my desk and remove the sides off the x-touch so it sits better in front of the console. Eventually it'll sit below my summing line mixer. Its quiet too. And automation is so far seemless. It really is a great controller and I dont look back at trading the artist mix for it. I do video so the jog wheel is useful too. I had been eyeing the nucleus forever but in the end despite how much control one gets its just way to much money for what essentially the xtouch can do just as well. Maybe if it had 8-16 adda I'd get one but till then... I was trying to be more subtle with my post about using the X-Touch, and apparently you use more of its features than I do, but yes - I agree. For a fraction of the price, the x-touch is killer. Get your interface and mic pre's somewhere else and get the ones you really want. john Martin Butler, you use Logic X, right? If you want a controller - get the x-touch. It's plug and play I tell ya. |
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Post by zander on Dec 12, 2016 6:50:27 GMT -6
I think it's my first post here but I have been reading this forum for a while now. I have the ssl nucleus on demo now together with the ssl sigma delta. They have a daw layer which directly controls the sigma and folows the delta plugin in pro tools. I am quite happy with the configuration. With the push of a button I can switch between the sigma layer (which is virtually an analog console, no sends though) and the pro tools midi controller with 16 faders. The preamps and monitoring is a nice extra but not really necessary for me. I also use the channel output as a send to a reverb and return the reverb on an input.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 12, 2016 7:32:36 GMT -6
Hey Zander,
Can you confirm the digital ins are limited to 2 on spdif ? You are demoing the V2 ? Glad you are happy so far.
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Post by zander on Dec 12, 2016 7:37:24 GMT -6
No the v1. I don't have the I/O connected I just use the controller for the moment.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 12, 2016 7:42:27 GMT -6
I think it's my first post here but I have been reading this forum for a while now. I have the ssl nucleus on demo now together with the ssl sigma delta. They have a daw layer which directly controls the sigma and folows the delta plugin in pro tools. I am quite happy with the configuration. With the push of a button I can switch between the sigma layer (which is virtually an analog console, no sends though) and the pro tools midi controller with 16 faders. The preamps and monitoring is a nice extra but not really necessary for me. I also use the channel output as a send to a reverb and return the reverb on an input. Zander Welcome to RGO! |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 12, 2016 9:48:04 GMT -6
johneppstein said, "You gotta be kidding!"
I meant for singer/songwriters at home like me. I wouldn't mind a nice board with 24 channels of API's or Neve's or SSL's one day, but two would do just fine for my purposes at the moment.
M57, never heard of the X-Touch. I'll look around, thanks.
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Post by ericn on Dec 12, 2016 10:49:33 GMT -6
I think it's my first post here but I have been reading this forum for a while now. I have the ssl nucleus on demo now together with the ssl sigma delta. They have a daw layer which directly controls the sigma and folows the delta plugin in pro tools. I am quite happy with the configuration. With the push of a button I can switch between the sigma layer (which is virtually an analog console, no sends though) and the pro tools midi controller with 16 faders. The preamps and monitoring is a nice extra but not really necessary for me. I also use the channel output as a send to a reverb and return the reverb on an input. Zander Yeah I think they need to bring out a stripped down controller only version, if your grabbing it to control a sigma your going to have a bunch of other converters. The Idea behind the current features was you buy this some software and your ready to go ! |
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Post by zander on Dec 12, 2016 12:59:42 GMT -6
Indeed but the problem is that the nucleus really works best in my setup. I tried with an artist mix but that didn't work out well for me. Yes I don't have an easy way to connect the converter atm (delta-link/alpha-link and Lyra2 via adat, the converter is spdif on the V1). The transport controls are nice btw. I need to test the controller thoroughly. I'm more focused on the sigma layer and only occasionally go to the pt layer for individual track automation.
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Post by jakeharris on Dec 15, 2016 18:26:05 GMT -6
How about the lowly ZED-R16?
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Post by rocinante on Dec 15, 2016 18:48:20 GMT -6
How about the lowly ZED-R16? I've only read not so favorable reviews from folks I can respect. Its not even in the same class as the ssl nucleus and daw intergration is handicapped at best and nil at worst. Its a hobbiest's mistake. Now the gsr-24, man did I want one of those when they first came out, seems its no longer being supported though or they arent making anymore. At first it seemed like they hit it out of the ballpark but then it seemed a little pricey for what one got. |
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 15, 2016 22:32:12 GMT -6
How about the lowly ZED-R16? I've only read not so favorable reviews from folks I can respect. Its not even in the same class as the ssl nucleus and daw intergration is handicapped at best and nil at worst. Its a hobbiest's mistake. Now the gsr-24, man did I want one of those when they first came out, seems its no longer being supported though or they arent making anymore. At first it seemed like they hit it out of the ballpark but then it seemed a little pricey for what one got. I read a lot of BS about A+H desks on the GS board. If you ask -if they ever used the ZEDs, or the GSR - there comes a big NO. Special the ZEDs sound more expensive than they are. If you se one for summing you fast getvto know how far ypu can push it. Sure its nothing high endish but you can get great mixes on it. |
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Post by rocinante on Dec 18, 2016 3:07:22 GMT -6
I've used many zed boards live but never in the studio. Ive owned two a and h big mixers (a 32 channel gl3300 and 56 channel 3800) as well and for live and live recording they are alright.
Not bad anyway.
I never felt really anything about them. The grouping and sub-grouping was nice.
I have a modded soundcraft ghost that is the matrix of my studio that I am still very satisfied with, so I'm not a complete gear snob. I've seen a lot of zed r16s on the used market. In most cases it seems tthe seller upgraded as they felt they were limited.
I looked into them as I thought I might want one as they seemed they might be alright but after talking to a few people and researching it seems like they are more of a limited quasi recording console and people grew bored of them.
Two people I personally know who have owned gsr-24s either bought a tascam dm-4800 and used the rest of the money for mics and outboard or went the ssl route. One of them said they liked their gs3300 a lot more and regretted selling it for the gsr-24..
So no I didnt just read a few threads on GS and decide to pick on a zed r16 because I'm bored but really looked into them. I still think the gsr seems like a pretty nice console but the price is steep for what one gets and I dont love the 48k adat limitation. That said I havent read a ton of bad reviews on the gsr24.
And to add there isnt that many places to get hands on reviews of gear. So reading and asking questions on GS doesn't disqualify what one learns about an item they cant try out. I wish I could have tried every compressor and preamp ive owned first and there are plenty of times ive been grateful there were sites like RGO and GS as it has saved me some time and money. Just because several people didnt like a piece of gear and discussed their issues with it doesn't mean they should be ignored. Sometimes companies make cheap junk that they try to sell as professional tools and I have to rely on the few gear sites to warn me from buying sonething I am going to regret having spent money on.
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Have you looked at the new Faderport 8 just out of curiosity ?
