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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 6, 2016 4:22:20 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 7, 2016 10:46:52 GMT -6
Yeah - just don't have the scratch.
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Post by ericn on Dec 7, 2016 11:14:30 GMT -6
The Symphony has been kinda haunting my dreams lately too. I haven't compared the BF Apollo and Symphony...Definitely thought the Symphony was better than the SF...but at this point, I should just leave well enough alone... I see one in your future, then a Apollo, then another Symphony......π
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 7, 2016 11:25:31 GMT -6
Tuff crowd !
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 7, 2016 18:35:51 GMT -6
Don't really know why I want anything else. Like I said, I use the D-box for DA and the Svart for AD.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 7, 2016 20:08:09 GMT -6
Don't really know why I want anything else. Like I said, I use the D-box for DA and the Svart for AD. If it ain't broke .... π
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 8, 2016 2:22:14 GMT -6
probably because you didn't get a chance to have a good experience with the symphony the first time around.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 8, 2016 9:14:04 GMT -6
probably because you didn't get a chance to have a good experience with the symphony the first time around. Aw no - I really loved the Symphony. I really didn't like Maestro, but I thought the Symphony sounded great. Since I use UAD plugs a ton, the Apollo is a great option for me...and the whole implementation is easier IMO...but just by memory, I would lean towards the ADDA of the Symphony MkI sounding even slightly better than the Apollo BF.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 8, 2016 9:30:25 GMT -6
With the new mkii and the touchscreen, apparently you don't even have to use maestro. The new mkii also has the Groove headphone converters (4) and improved amp quality. You guys in the states if you buy b4 end of Dec get the groove free !
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 8, 2016 10:10:48 GMT -6
there's only 1 headphone jack on the MK2.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 8, 2016 10:19:15 GMT -6
Yes I know but I believe they upgraded the sound quality ?
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 8, 2016 10:32:37 GMT -6
and downgraded the quantity. I wonder who they were targeting with that decision. Now you can't really use the MK2 in a singer/songwriter + producer situation. You gotta dedicate a pair of outputs towards feeding a headphone amp. With the MK1, the singer and producer could be in the same room with no need for a box like this: www.americanmusical.com/ItemImages/Large/PRS%20HP4%20LIST.jpg
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Post by mikec on Dec 8, 2016 11:31:24 GMT -6
I spent about 5 hours tracking acoustic guitars and vocals last weekend with my new Symphony MKII and never even opened Maestro. It would have been nice to have two headphone outputs but since I run the Symphony through my patchbay normaled to my 2Bus+ and then the 2Bus+ to a DBox it has not been an issue for me. Its pretty cool to be able to track and mix through the 2Bus+.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 8, 2016 12:48:06 GMT -6
so, is the dbox your D/A?
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Post by mikec on Dec 8, 2016 13:58:12 GMT -6
so, is the dbox your D/A? I am only using the dbox as a monitor controller for the summed analog output of the 2Bus+. I do have spdif out from the Symphony connected to the digital in on the dbox, but have not had a need to use it yet.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 8, 2016 15:46:25 GMT -6
Can you post a crude graphic showing how everything is wired? I can't quite picture it...
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 8, 2016 16:57:29 GMT -6
I spent about 5 hours tracking acoustic guitars and vocals last weekend with my new Symphony MKII and never even opened Maestro. It would have been nice to have two headphone outputs but since I run the Symphony through my patchbay normaled to my 2Bus+ and then the 2Bus+ to a DBox it has not been an issue for me. Its pretty cool to be able to track and mix through the 2Bus+. Jealousy emotion
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 8, 2016 17:23:40 GMT -6
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Post by mikec on Dec 8, 2016 17:30:23 GMT -6
Can you post a crude graphic showing how everything is wired? I can't quite picture it... My wife is an artist and thinks I have the drawing skills that would embarrass a 3 year old, so, how I wired mine up is just like the diagram on the Dangerous Music website. Once you get on their website, under products select the DBox. On the right side of the screen they have a list of set up diagrams. They don't have one of the 2bus+ but the the 2Bus LT wired to the DBox is wired the same. The only difference is that I am not using the summing feature of the DBox so I don't have the SUM out of the Dbox going into the expansion of the 2Bus+. Additionally I am only summing the 16 channels from the Symphony so per the diagram I don't have any D/A going into the summing input of the Dbox. The only other thing is I have the stereo summed output from my 2Bus+ going out of the Main outputs back into the Symphony to print my summed mix. Let me know if I can clarify anything, I'm happy to help. The connection between the 2Bus+ and the symphony was the easiest, just the 16 outs from the symphony to the 16 ins of the 2Bus+ using DB25 cables. I have my preamps all connected into my patch bay so I can route them to any channel or outboard compressor or eq that I have. It all fits nicely into a Sterling Modular Plan E desk.
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Post by ragan on Dec 8, 2016 23:49:24 GMT -6
So Matt has already helped me on this some, but I'm still not totally clear on it.
If I wanted to get a Symphony MKI, can I configure it as a standalone interface? I've always kind of though of the Symphony as just straight AD/DA but I understand there are various data connections too?
If I wanted 8 ins, 8 outs and no pres, could I configure this to be an interface all of its own. Thunderbolt? Would I need a separate monitor controller? Would I have to use 2 of the DA line outs to feed an external monitor controller?
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 9, 2016 5:46:43 GMT -6
So Matt has already helped me on this some, but I'm still not totally clear on it. If I wanted to get a Symphony MKI, can I configure it as a standalone interface? I've always kind of though of the Symphony as just straight AD/DA but I understand there are various data connections too? If I wanted 8 ins, 8 outs and no pres, could I configure this to be an interface all of its own. Thunderbolt? Would I need a separate monitor controller? Would I have to use 2 of the DA line outs to feed an external monitor controller? When I was looking at these, a couple things turned me off. The connection is USB, unless you buy the Thunderbridge unit for Thunderbolt connection. Also, there are no dedicated monitor outs. To use the Symphony DA as monitor outs will eat up 2 channels. There is SPDIF connection, but then you'll need a separate DA (obviously) and won't be using the nice Symphony DA that you just paid for.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 9, 2016 6:04:57 GMT -6
You can set outputs 1-2 to be line level so you're feeding your monitor controller of choice with a line level signal from the Symphony. You can run the symphony in stand-alone mode, yes. You'd use this if you had another interface that you wanted to feed with a digital signal from the symphony. I use mine via USB mode and it is excellent. If you need more than 16 channels in and out, you'll need to pop for a PCIe Card or the Thunderbridge, if you don't already have some ProTools card. But for up to 8 channels, the symphony is flawless via USB mode with sample rates up to 96Khz. Regarding dedicated outs, you bought 8 A/D channels and 8 D/A channels. you didn't buy an ensemble/apollo/etc. Apogee just *happened* to let you set channels 1-2 (really any pair of outputs) as controllable via the volume knobs on the front. "When Audio Interface Mode is set to USB Audio, a USB connection between Symphony I/O and an Intel Mac provides 16 channels of bi-directional audio at sample rates up to 96kHz, as well as the link between Apogee Maestro software and the Symphony I/O." www.apogeedigital.com/knowledgebase/symphony-io/symphony-io-connecting-to-a-macs-usb-port/
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 9, 2016 6:35:52 GMT -6
So for a singer songwriter typically tracking 1-2 channels and or bringing in a drummer and using <8, the 8x8 module would work fine on usb and just set I pair of outlets as the line out ? I could keep running my octo card on the tbotl pci-e of my mbp.
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Post by mikec on Dec 9, 2016 7:41:46 GMT -6
So for a singer songwriter typically tracking 1-2 channels and or bringing in a drummer and using <8, the 8x8 module would work fine on usb and just set I pair of outlets as the line out ? I could keep running my octo card on the tbotl pci-e of my mbp. That would work or if you are in to analog summing you could run all 8 outs into the summing box and monitor off of that. When I track, for simplicity, I just run everything out of channels 1/2 so I am only using 2 channels of my summing box, and then when I start mixing I separate everything out into my combination of mono and stereo channels through the 2Bus. Since I mostly record other singer/songwriter types or my own stuff, I could have probably gone with an 8x8 Symphony but since I already had the 2Bus+ and my mixes usually end up with 24 to 30 tracks, having 16 outs to sum was easier on my brain when stemming what goes where.
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Post by ragan on Dec 9, 2016 8:52:24 GMT -6
indiehouse @nofilterchuck Ok gotcha. Thanks. I was trying to see if a Symphony MKI rig could replace my Apollo/D Box combo. That combo does a lot for me though and I'd be left with some holes in my workflow.
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