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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 29, 2016 13:46:48 GMT -6
Is anyone actually interested in these A/B's that I'm posting? I'm mainly doing it for myself, but figure it might benefit people here too. Anyway, is anyone using this Sound Radix stuff? Here's an A/B where I quickly got it set up on drums. The individual drum sounds are RAW. There is a splash of Valhala Vintage Verb and Waves API 2500 on the drum buss. The master buss is kissing Slate FG-Grey, PSP NobleQex (boom and air), and Pro-Q2 for a dB of top and LPF. Auto align'd kick in, snare top, hats, and toms to the overheads. Kick out to kick in. Snare bottom to snare top. Then used some drum leveler on the kicks, snares, and toms. drive.google.com/open?id=0Bym1m85ha75RVl9ONUk4X2l2OVU
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Post by ragan on Nov 29, 2016 14:12:47 GMT -6
I am totally interested. I really appreciate you posting them.
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Post by wiz on Nov 29, 2016 14:43:57 GMT -6
I always enjoy these things, and appreciate the effort that goes into it...
I like B
cheers
Wiz
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Post by svart on Nov 29, 2016 14:57:12 GMT -6
B is more rocking like this. A has some harder compression going on, on the snare it seems. I could go either way depending on the mix though.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 29, 2016 15:04:01 GMT -6
Yeah, B is hitting harder, fuller. Is B Auto Aligned?
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Post by ragan on Nov 29, 2016 15:11:06 GMT -6
I like B. I'm guessing A is Auto Aligned. It sounds tighter, but smaller. I'd rather start with B if I were going to mix.
I've used Auto Align a lot. I adore it for multi-mic'd guitars, both acoustic and electric. Drums it's hit or miss for me. But I'd never want to be without that plug.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 29, 2016 15:14:39 GMT -6
I agree - B for me (ok, I'm listening on macbook speakers )...Ragan's right...sometimes that phaseyness on drums creates the width...sometimes it takes the coolness out of it. But this thing is a godsend for acoustics.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 29, 2016 15:21:26 GMT -6
If anyone wants results before the reveal, shoot me a PM.
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Post by unit7 on Nov 29, 2016 17:10:48 GMT -6
If auto align is doing the work it's supposed to, then the drums should sound fuller, so B has to be aligned..not? Thanks for posting btw!
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Post by ragan on Nov 29, 2016 17:16:06 GMT -6
Sometimes it does, sometimes not. Like JK mentioned, sometimes some phase smearing relationships give a sense of size.
There are a lot of ways you can use AA on a drum kit.
FWIW, I've gotten the best results by aligning one OH to the snare and then the rest of the kit mics to that OH. I think that's how the Sound Radix guys suggest and it's worked the best for me.
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Post by unit7 on Nov 29, 2016 17:24:44 GMT -6
Sometimes it does, sometimes not. There are a lot of ways you can use it on a drum kit. FWIW, I've gotten the best results by aligning one OH to the snare and then the rest of the kit mics to that OH. I think that's how the Sound Radix guys suggest and it's worked the best for me. Ok, hear you but don't get it 100%.. I'm always manually aligning live recorded drums, resulting in a fuller sound. I guess you could adjust the align/phase as a kind of eq, but that doesn't feel right for me..
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Post by ragan on Nov 29, 2016 17:27:26 GMT -6
Sometimes it does, sometimes not. There are a lot of ways you can use it on a drum kit. FWIW, I've gotten the best results by aligning one OH to the snare and then the rest of the kit mics to that OH. I think that's how the Sound Radix guys suggest and it's worked the best for me. Ok, hear you but don't get it 100%.. I'm always manually aligning live recorded drums, resulting in a fuller sound. I guess you could adjust the align/phase as a kind of eq, but that doesn't feel right for me.. Yeah for me it just kinda depends. I've had it give me a clearer image with more impact which kind of made it tighter and punchier but with less apparent size. Somerimes those little delays and phase incoherencies give a sense of space and size, though it's at the cost of definition and clarity.
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Post by swurveman on Nov 29, 2016 17:33:24 GMT -6
B sounds fuller. However, A doesn't sound terrible, at least on headphones. How much time did this take you?
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Post by unit7 on Nov 29, 2016 17:42:50 GMT -6
Ok, hear you but don't get it 100%.. I'm always manually aligning live recorded drums, resulting in a fuller sound. I guess you could adjust the align/phase as a kind of eq, but that doesn't feel right for me.. Yeah for me it just kinda depends. I've had it give me a clearer image with more impact which kind of made it tighter and punchier but with less apparent size. Somerimes those little delays and phase incoherencies give a sense of space and size, though it's at the cost of definition and clarity. Ok, hear you. There are so many ways :-) My approach is that getting the drums in phase is the best and 'healthiest' starting point for everything I'd like to do after that, eq, transient shaping, compression, adding ambience etc etc
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 1, 2016 8:19:14 GMT -6
B is aligned/leveled. Obviously.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 1, 2016 16:03:19 GMT -6
B had a lot of snare punch and transient very modern sounding. A sounded like early 90's grunge Seattle style drums. Either can be used for a great result. A sounds great but then when I played B I thought it was louder cuz it sounds punchier cleaner " better " ( subjective better ) I love these jcoutu1 I have been real busy the past week that's all. Thanks Bro 🙏
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 1, 2016 16:16:46 GMT -6
I bought their bundle today. Nice plugs that embrace the advantages of digital. Half off sale ends tomorrow.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 1, 2016 18:48:23 GMT -6
If you figure out how the hell to use Pi lemme know. Lol
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 2, 2016 16:06:43 GMT -6
How is Waves InPhase compared to Radix? Do they do the same thing? I have InPhase already.
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