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Soothe
Dec 3, 2016 15:32:00 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 3, 2016 15:32:00 GMT -6
You have it on 4x and ultra?
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Dec 3, 2016 17:16:24 GMT -6
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 3, 2016 17:16:24 GMT -6
You have it on 4x and ultra? Yes yes I was , having more and more of those senior moments Lol
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Post by ollierikkeskinen on Dec 3, 2016 17:59:12 GMT -6
You have it on 4x and ultra? Yes yes I was , having more and more of those senior moments Lol Yeah soothe eats a lot of CPU, there's an unsettling amount of number crunching under the hood, and on every turn that had the choice of reducing artefacts with more CPU, it got worse. But thinking about it this way, soothe wouldn't have been possible 5 years ago, and in 5 years it shouldn't even scratch surface any more – that's how it tends to go with Moore's law.
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Post by M57 on Dec 3, 2016 18:33:17 GMT -6
Yeah soothe eats a lot of CPU, there's an unsettling amount of number crunching under the hood, and on every turn that had the choice of reducing artefacts with more CPU, it got worse. But thinking about it this way, soothe wouldn't have been possible 5 years ago, and in 5 years it shouldn't even scratch surface any more – that's how it tends to go with Moore's law. First, I'd like to thank you, not just for creating such an incredible plug (It boggles my mind what it's doing) but also for being here to explain these things to us. It's clear to me this is a cutting edge - ridiculous number crunching beast - and I'm pretty sure I'm noticing artifacts not just if I overdo it on a single track, but also if I use it on too many tracks, so I was wondering if this is true and if you might have any additional suggestions about how to avoid artifacts when using multiple instances. I've been experimenting with using it on the 2-buss. I'm just a song-writer - not an engineer. It would be so helpful if you could get a pro to put this thing through its paces on a youtube video to show hacks like me how to maximize its capabilities. One suggestion: I bounce off-line - so I'm sure I want to use 4x all the time when bouncing, right? It would be huge if I could mix at normal, but bounce at 4x. I'm thinking of the slate VTM feature that let's you group plugs. In this case, I wouldn't want to group instances of soothe, but if the normal/4x switch was "grouped" to all instances, I could bounce with the flick of one switch. ..just a thought.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 3, 2016 18:42:11 GMT -6
Since its designed for vocal or single source don't you think 2 bus will inherently overtax it ?
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Dec 3, 2016 18:44:44 GMT -6
Post by M57 on Dec 3, 2016 18:44:44 GMT -6
Since its designed for vocal or single source don't you think 2 bus will inherently overtax it ? It works on a stereo track as far as I can tell, though now that you mention it, I think I hear phase related artifacts in those cases.
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Dec 3, 2016 18:49:37 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Dec 3, 2016 18:49:37 GMT -6
Oh I am sure it will work in the sense that it will pas signal but as you seemed concerned about cpu usage than I was surprised that you seem to using it in a way that would create the max cpu usage ? Imagine a 24 track recording with each track having its inherent resonance problems so 24 tracks times 100-20,000 cycles and now you are asking 1 plug in to effect all those resonances: whew I'd be overtaxed too
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Dec 3, 2016 18:55:11 GMT -6
Post by M57 on Dec 3, 2016 18:55:11 GMT -6
Oh I am sure it will work in the sense that it will pas signal but as you seemed concerned about cpu usage than I was surprised that you seem to using it in a way that would create the max cpu usage ? Imagine a 24 track recording with each track having its inherent resonance problems so 24 tracks times 100-20,000 cycles and now you are asking 1 plug in to effect all those resonances: whew I'd be overtaxed too Yeah, but if I'm bouncing off-line - who cares? I don't mind if my CPU has to spend the night doing it. I get a good night's sleep, and I wake up happy in the morning. I'm not so much concerned about CPU usage as I am trying to be aware of it and working around it.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 3, 2016 19:08:36 GMT -6
I like everyone am learning how best to use this very neat plug so was more curious about your experience putting on the 2 bus in terms of generating artifacts which would seem counterproductive ? I have been using it just on my lead vocal tracks.
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Post by M57 on Dec 3, 2016 19:28:18 GMT -6
I like everyone am learning how best to use this very neat plug so was more curious about your experience putting on the 2 bus in terms of generating artifacts which would seem counterproductive ? I have been using it just on my lead vocal tracks. Cool! A channel is a channel - The plug doesn't care if it's a piano, a guitar, or a symphony orchestra - it's the same number of bytes. Stereo just means twice the work. The plug features go down to 33hz or something like that so clearly it's built for full range use. Yeah, I've been using it for my vocal - not for sibilance, but rather for room resonances mostly in the 220 range. I've got eiosis^2 doing the heavy lifting for my esses. I'm using it for low-mid room resonances on my guitar tracks too. I've got it on my drum OHs and the room mic to tame some brash cymbals, and I'm putting it on the 2-buss just because.. My computer can handle it all if I've got them all running normal, but hit 4x and high quality and smoke comes out of the usb ports and the thing comes to a screaming halt. No problem, - Bounce off-line - go and have a drink and a snack, come back and all is right in the world. Bring on Moore's Law... This plug is a modern day example of why it exists in the first place..
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Post by wiz on Dec 3, 2016 23:45:10 GMT -6
You just got my hard earned...
8)
cheers
Wiz
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Post by rowmat on Dec 4, 2016 0:06:50 GMT -6
Sounds like I could have used this on a vocal about six months ago. I had an issue I first thought was either a distorting mic or a distorting pre. Turned out it was distorting vocal chords! Never heard anything like it before. A real raspy buzz.
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Post by ludwigvanbeartrap on Dec 4, 2016 9:07:34 GMT -6
Really, you should all be quarantined before you spread this fever any further. ;-)
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Dec 4, 2016 9:23:35 GMT -6
Post by rowmat on Dec 4, 2016 9:23:35 GMT -6
Is Soothe similar to Surfer EQ (Sound Radix)? It appears to be in the way it automatically targets and dynamically EQ's the signal.
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Dec 4, 2016 9:49:09 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Dec 4, 2016 9:49:09 GMT -6
Well I guess in an inverse kind of way ?
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Post by ollierikkeskinen on Dec 4, 2016 11:24:40 GMT -6
Yeah soothe eats a lot of CPU, there's an unsettling amount of number crunching under the hood, and on every turn that had the choice of reducing artefacts with more CPU, it got worse. But thinking about it this way, soothe wouldn't have been possible 5 years ago, and in 5 years it shouldn't even scratch surface any more – that's how it tends to go with Moore's law. First, I'd like to thank you, not just for creating such an incredible plug (It boggles my mind what it's doing) but also for being here to explain these things to us. It's clear to me this is a cutting edge - ridiculous number crunching beast - and I'm pretty sure I'm noticing artifacts not just if I overdo it on a single track, but also if I use it on too many tracks, so I was wondering if this is true and if you might have any additional suggestions about how to avoid artifacts when using multiple instances. I've been experimenting with using it on the 2-buss. I'm just a song-writer - not an engineer. It would be so helpful if you could get a pro to put this thing through its paces on a youtube video to show hacks like me how to maximize its capabilities. One suggestion: I bounce off-line - so I'm sure I want to use 4x all the time when bouncing, right? It would be huge if I could mix at normal, but bounce at 4x. I'm thinking of the slate VTM feature that let's you group plugs. In this case, I wouldn't want to group instances of soothe, but if the normal/4x switch was "grouped" to all instances, I could bounce with the flick of one switch. ..just a thought. Thank you for your kind words, the pleasure of being here is all mine! Yeah, a video tutorial would be the way to go, I've tried to explain as much as I can in the user manual, but that isn't exactly intuitive. soothe does introduce artefacts, and on top of that, the process will reveal artefacts that are already present in the source material. Easiest way to listen to them is to crank the sharpness all the way to 10 – it sounds horrible on pitched instruments (but is usable for drums)! These artefacts are so called phase distortion that result from the speed of the process. The solution to this is to widen the sharpness. Default setting is between 3 and 4 for a good starting point, and I think it is optimal around there for a lot of the stuff that gets thrown at it. The global oversampling setting for offline bouncing has been suggested, and it is indeed a very good idea, so I'll make that happen once I get down to creating instead of fixing again.
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Dec 4, 2016 11:27:12 GMT -6
Post by ollierikkeskinen on Dec 4, 2016 11:27:12 GMT -6
Sounds like I could have used this on a vocal about six months ago. I had an issue I first thought was either a distorting mic or a distorting pre. Turned out it was distorting vocal chords! Never heard anything like it before. A real raspy buzz. Yeah, this has boggled me as well. I occasionally work at a local music institute, teaching preliminary recording and studio work. The singers are often very good, especially for their age, but all sorts of funny things pop out, and it often is not due to the equipment.
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Post by ollierikkeskinen on Dec 4, 2016 11:33:59 GMT -6
As a general idea, I've been using the plugin in its various forms for the last 4 months to mix sessions. I nowadays find myself using it just on the most problematic channels, like the lead vocals. It is on my master bus on every session though, and often in other sub busses as well (horns, grand piano). I find that the most intuitive way of using it is just to set and forget, add a subtle settings to the end of the chain and maybe have an EQ afterwards to adjust the overall tonality to my liking. This way I'm mixing the whole session against it, and save time and CPU by not individually process stuff that doesn't need it.
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Dec 4, 2016 11:59:56 GMT -6
Post by M57 on Dec 4, 2016 11:59:56 GMT -6
As a general idea, I've been using the plugin in its various forms for the last 4 months to mix sessions. I nowadays find myself using it just on the most problematic channels, like the lead vocals. It is on my master bus on every session though, and often in other sub busses as well (horns, grand piano). I find that the most intuitive way of using it is just to set and forget, add a subtle settings to the end of the chain and maybe have an EQ afterwards to adjust the overall tonality to my liking. This way I'm mixing the whole session against it, and save time and CPU by not individually process stuff that doesn't need it. Good to hear you believe it can work that way because that's the way I've been treating it. I've putting it through its paces and have it on well over a dozen tracks - including some busses like drums and the master, but also instances of pianos, bass, guitar and voice. (This is the reason I need to create a buss for my piano takes!) With most set to normal/normal or normal/x2, my iMac can handle 'em all - and I've got some 10-15 instances of VTM and a ton of other plugs in play. But if I throw just a few into higher gear, my computer laughs at me. "No can do." So I have let's call it a 4:00+ song that I can usually bounce in a little over 2 minutes off-line. When I slam all of the soothe plugs into 4X/ultra the same bounce takes about 10 minutes - easily well over 3 times the time. Also, I'm pretty sure that in those higher oversampling and resolution modes, it's changing levels more significantly than I expect. When I put the final on a Dynamic Range meter, I'm pretty sure I'm noticing the high-end bounce has LESS dynamic range than the normal/normal bounce - as if the plug is digging just a little deeper. Have you found this to be the case when you work with it? EDIT: I take it back. I took off all instances and it DR metered a full .1 db lower with no soothe. That makes more sense - things should hit the master buss a little softer with soothe on.
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Post by ollierikkeskinen on Dec 5, 2016 8:53:55 GMT -6
I'll copy the notice I sent to the mailing list here: ====================================== Hi guys! Thank you for trying soothe out, for the questions, feature requests and reporting problems thus far! Thanks to you we've been able to fix a number of things, and will continue on improving soothe based on your feedback. Also, thank you so much for those of you who've already purchased soothe! To avoid the situation we faced when the previous introductory deal ended, here's a polite reminder: soothe 99€ reintroductory price is about to expire in less than 24 hours, at 12 o'clock Tuesday, December the 6th, GMT to be exact. That is, if you (or your friends) are currently thinking of purchasing soothe, and want the discount, I advice you to act now! Reduced pricing is not likely to be available for a while after this, and we wont be able to offer special one-off discounts after the deal ends. You can purchase soothe now for 99€ at: www.pluginsquare.com/sootheThank you! Olli
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Post by henge on Dec 5, 2016 9:54:49 GMT -6
Purchased this morning. Very useful tool which speeds up workflow. So far it's been useful on acoustic guits and some vox.
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Dec 5, 2016 17:09:17 GMT -6
Post by rowmat on Dec 5, 2016 17:09:17 GMT -6
I just grabbed it before the price went back up. I can see it will be useful for targeting those randomly moving problem frequencies that are like trying to swat a dozen flies all at once.
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Dec 5, 2016 18:22:28 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 18:22:28 GMT -6
ditto ....
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Post by ludwigvanbeartrap on Dec 6, 2016 6:26:51 GMT -6
Holy shit...this thing is freaking amazing! Immediate buy for me. It's the Chinese zing remover! Ha, and here you thought you needed a 4k microphone... I haven't compared it directly, but I think I might be able to get similar results using a combination of plugins in my iZotope Rx bundle. Those plugs are also resource hogs. I bought this, however, as I found it quicker/easier to use, with good results. I've only used a couple presets so far, trying a few tweaks. Hope it doesn't become a bottomless A-B pit for me! Anyway, well worth the $4000 $100 introductory price.
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Dec 6, 2016 10:05:49 GMT -6
Post by henge on Dec 6, 2016 10:05:49 GMT -6
Holy shit...this thing is freaking amazing! Immediate buy for me. It's the Chinese zing remover! Ha, and here you thought you needed a 4k microphone... I haven't compared it directly, but I think I might be able to get similar results using a combination of plugins in my iZotope Rx bundle. Those plugs are also resource hogs. I bought this, however, as I found it quicker/easier to use, with good results. I've only used a couple presets so far, trying a few tweaks. Hope it doesn't become a bottomless A-B pit for me! Anyway, well worth the $4000 $100 introductory price. I think you can get similar results with a combination of different plugs but Soothe is an all in one fix which is easy and convenient. Very well thought out tool!
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