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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 17, 2016 12:25:20 GMT -6
Hey - why not?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 17:36:57 GMT -6
Wow. I am impressed. Really some realistic features that are very cool, especially the performance modelling.
Reminds me of the NTONYX midi performance modelling, but more elaborated and specialized.
Except a few plastic sounding moments, mostly due to the guys keyboard playing style in a few places, it's damn good IMHO. (see vid below)
The pure sound is not perfectly on par to the best samples IMHO/YMMV, but i have yet heard nothing like the realism in the performance that this thing has. Fascinating. Thanks for the heads-up on this one!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 20, 2016 20:32:24 GMT -6
Ok that is vid is cool until they split the HW bass hard left and IK hard right but had the IK 3-6db louder drowning out the real bass. The IK seems to have more bottom end than the real bass. Cool little vid, I like the part where the double kick drums came in on the harder rock tune, the IK sounded real good to me then! Around 3:10 the bass player turns his gain up on his HW bass and it still is drowned out a bit by the ik... maybe the HW bass is tuned higher, or the IK has multiple layered samples combining to make the bass sound and that's why it's lower freq. wise... IDK Im really guessing 😂
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Post by M57 on Nov 21, 2016 5:54:44 GMT -6
It's OK, but really? Don't get me wrong, digital instruments have their place. Where HW vs SW emulations of HW is concerned, it's gotten to the point where I can't tell the which is which 90% of the time (Yeah, I know there are many here who can do much better than 90  . Tubes and resistors are one thing, but when it comes to instruments, it's not even close. Watching the keyboard player feigning vibrato on the keys made me laugh. Sure it's good enough if not perfect for some music, but with most any solo RL instrument, there are just too many variables (most of the human variety) to get it close to the ballpark as far as I'm concerned, so watching the video as if there was a comparison to be made is just silly. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 6:23:35 GMT -6
I get it! Really. If you are a songwriter and can only play piano / keys then this will be useful (although plenty of other's doing it such as NI). To me the fast legato just sounds like a keyboard (Sort of Deep Clavinova) because it's missing that instant attack / decline on every note. Good effort tho'. No different from me using EZKeys to solve the problem of my clunky piano playing Songwriting ThreadThis is like my baby .....  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 8:11:49 GMT -6
Just a heads up - got an email saying Superior Drummer 2 is $105 - 70% off .... there's your drum and bass sorted  |
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Post by levon on Nov 21, 2016 8:19:21 GMT -6
I use Trilogy to work on bass parts and ideas. Then, I ask my bass player to record for me. He's always better than what I come up with, that SOB. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 21, 2016 8:40:19 GMT -6
Wow. I am impressed. Really some realistic features that are very cool, especially the performance modelling. Reminds me of the NTONYX midi performance modelling, but more elaborated and specialized. Except a few plastic sounding moments, mostly due to the guys keyboard playing style in a few places, it's damn good IMHO. (see vid below) The pure sound is not perfectly on par to the best samples IMHO/YMMV, but i have yet heard nothing like the realism in the performance that this thing has. Fascinating. Thanks for the heads-up on this one! I saw the overview videos last week and thought it sounded pretty cool. It seemed like it brought another layer of realism and the tones of the modeled basses seemed to be pretty decent. Watching this keyboard/bass video turned me off from the whole thing though. |
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Post by henge on Nov 21, 2016 9:41:54 GMT -6
Sounds great for someone that can't get a real bassist. What I find weird on these kinds of things is that the attack portion of the sound sounds the same. Not sure if they have round robins on the attack but that would make it more realistic. Also the body of the sound gets a bit synthy for lack of a better term. A bit too perfect sounding!;-)
Great tool for writing though...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 3:16:18 GMT -6
Wow. I am impressed. Really some realistic features that are very cool, especially the performance modelling. Reminds me of the NTONYX midi performance modelling, but more elaborated and specialized. Except a few plastic sounding moments, mostly due to the guys keyboard playing style in a few places, it's damn good IMHO. (see vid below) The pure sound is not perfectly on par to the best samples IMHO/YMMV, but i have yet heard nothing like the realism in the performance that this thing has. Fascinating. Thanks for the heads-up on this one! I saw the overview videos last week and thought it sounded pretty cool. It seemed like it brought another layer of realism and the tones of the modeled basses seemed to be pretty decent. Watching this keyboard/bass video turned me off from the whole thing though. My intention to post this vid was to show the up- and downsides. Many good comments regarding where it lacks realism or what could be better in this thread. I guess the vid shows, for which applications the realism might be good enough to be used, esp. songwriting if you are not a bass player, soloing, well - depends, the fake vibrato acting thing in the vid really IS funny/laughable. :-D I am always interested in how these kind of performance softwares develop, and find it surprising sometimes, how slow new or better solutions evolve. E.g. the NTONYX stuff is pretty old, but there is not much progress in this field of software IMHO. So even small steps of progress in emulating behaviour of real life instruments might be welcome, esp. for songwriters, i guess. Well, i can play basslines for my music and a little bit of guitar, still, i think there is a niche, where such tools might become useful at least for quick prototyping of bass parts etc... |
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