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Post by topshelfmg on Nov 9, 2016 21:31:02 GMT -6
Hey guys, now that I am finally on rack 4, and about to get my 4th power conditioner (Furman PL-8C), I'm quickly running out of available outlets in this room, and to my knowledge, it's pretty darn dangerous to daisy chain power conditioners or to plug them into a power strip. The power at my place is pretty crappy, as I believe it was built in the 30s and then renovated, so I'm thinking I could get a power regulator and kill 2 birds with one stone. The thing is, if I were to plug all of my conditioners into the regulator (as recommended by my Sweetwater Sales Engineer), the whole desk would be running off a single outlet. Also, when I say crappy I don't mean currently, I mean prior to getting the power conditioners a while back. No noise, but when I see the voltage fluctuate from 120V I notice a little bit of increased heat coming from certain units.
I have my power up sequence all set up so everything is able to turn on and shut off in the correct order, and only maybe 3-4 pieces of gear I own do not have an on/off switch, meaning it won't all power up right away from just turning on the power conditioners. I also have all gear without an on/off switch besides my D Box all powered off of the same power conditioner, so that I can use that one as a master on/off essentially. I also recently got my landlord to upgrade this place to 20a from 15a.
Anyways, my first question is, theoretically, is it fine to run all of my gear through the power regulator, which is powered off of a single outlet?
2nd: I was originally going to get the Furman M-8X AR regulator, but I see that it only wrangles voltages to within +-5V of 120V. I have one Panamax power conditioner I bought from my bass player a while back in addition to the 3 PL-8C's, and it has a voltmeter on it. My power typically seems to run between 116-123 or 124 (on a bad day), so does this mean that a +-5 regulator wouldn't even do anything? My Sweetwater Engineer of course insists that it will keep it closer to 120, but I'm not so sure.
3rd: Because of the above stated reasons, I am looking at a the Monster AVS 2000, which is an absolute behemoth and would eat rack space, but it keeps it within 10% of 120V, so +-1.2V. Anyone have an suggestions here as to models they recommend, if any? Since this is more of a utility / convenience purchase I'd rather not drop too too much on it.
4th: Now that I have 20a, do I need a 20a regulator, as most of them see to be rated for 15a?
5th: Would there be any kind of noticeable fidelity / dynamic range increases in getting things just a little closer to a constant 120V, or is it just a gear lifespan kind of thing?
Thanks.
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Post by svart on Nov 10, 2016 8:27:36 GMT -6
Hey guys, now that I am finally on rack 4, and about to get my 4th power conditioner (Furman PL-8C), I'm quickly running out of available outlets in this room, and to my knowledge, it's pretty darn dangerous to daisy chain power conditioners or to plug them into a power strip. The power at my place is pretty crappy, as I believe it was built in the 30s and then renovated, so I'm thinking I could get a power regulator and kill 2 birds with one stone. The thing is, if I were to plug all of my conditioners into the regulator (as recommended by my Sweetwater Sales Engineer), the whole desk would be running off a single outlet. Also, when I say crappy I don't mean currently, I mean prior to getting the power conditioners a while back. No noise, but when I see the voltage fluctuate from 120V I notice a little bit of increased heat coming from certain units. I have my power up sequence all set up so everything is able to turn on and shut off in the correct order, and only maybe 3-4 pieces of gear I own do not have an on/off switch, meaning it won't all power up right away from just turning on the power conditioners. I also have all gear without an on/off switch besides my D Box all powered off of the same power conditioner, so that I can use that one as a master on/off essentially. I also recently got my landlord to upgrade this place to 20a from 15a. Anyways, my first question is, theoretically, is it fine to run all of my gear through the power regulator, which is powered off of a single outlet? 2nd: I was originally going to get the Furman M-8X AR regulator, but I see that it only wrangles voltages to within +-5V of 120V. I have one Panamax power conditioner I bought from my bass player a while back in addition to the 3 PL-8C's, and it has a voltmeter on it. My power typically seems to run between 116-123 or 124 (on a bad day), so does this mean that a +-5 regulator wouldn't even do anything? My Sweetwater Engineer of course insists that it will keep it closer to 120, but I'm not so sure.
3rd: Because of the above stated reasons, I am looking at a the Monster AVS 2000, which is an absolute behemoth and would eat rack space, but it keeps it within 10% of 120V, so +-1.2V. Anyone have an suggestions here as to models they recommend, if any? Since this is more of a utility / convenience purchase I'd rather not drop too too much on it.
4th: Now that I have 20a, do I need a 20a regulator, as most of them see to be rated for 15a?
5th: Would there be any kind of noticeable fidelity / dynamic range increases in getting things just a little closer to a constant 120V, or is it just a gear lifespan kind of thing?
Thanks. Honestly, most power "conditioners" are little more than filters in a box with some lights to make folks feel good. The Monster stuff uses a variac with some feedback to "adjust" the voltage output, but it would be relatively slow, and wasteful. The rest of the "conditioning" is just filtering. For protection, they sometimes use active monitoring that will cut the line voltage to the outputs in overvoltage situations, but most just employ the usual MOV devices. As for the Monster stuff, besides their horrible business practices, they get roundly dissed by the audiophiles for hurting the sound more than helping.. If you believe that kind of stuff. From some light reading I believe the older Belkin PF60 conditioners were well loved, and are still available on Ebay and such even though they are EOL. 4: Current is drawn, so it would depend on the amount of current the devices you plug into the unit need. 5: No, since most units have internal power supplies and their own regulation, the DC that reaches the boards will not be appreciably different (unless you have wild AC noise problems, which should be fixed at the source rather than conditioned away). Again, since most devices have their own power supplies (and regulation internal to the unit) you won't see much if any life span differences. Of course, there will be folks that say otherwise.. So let me ask you this, what problem are you trying to fix with all this? (Yes, that's a loaded question..)
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Post by ericn on Nov 10, 2016 9:32:19 GMT -6
Svart covered it pretty well, Monsters entire Power Conditioning good rep was built on some lower priced products long ago discontinued designed by Richard Marsh. Chris you need to make your fortune building a rackmount power strip with an LED that trips when you blow the MOV and has an easy replaceable MOV! For the most part unless you have know issues, spending big money on power products is only good for your gear pimps wallet!
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 10, 2016 10:43:18 GMT -6
Most power conditioners are nearly useless. I have one that isn't, a 15A power conditioner by APC (American Power Conversion), who are the premiere manufacturer of UPSes and office/studio/home theater sized power regulators. I bought it when my studio was located over a deli in a building with very old wiring - whenever the coolers downstairs would kick the control computer in my automated mixing console would freak out and require rebooting. This unit cured it. It will regulate voltage withing selectable ranges and condition the line against spikes, sags, and most brownouts. Voltage regulation is via an automatically switched autotransformer. The model number is H15. 120V,l 1440 VA,47-63 Hz. It was intended for use in a high quality home theater system and includes two delayed outlets for amp and subwoofer, two outputs with digital filter and two with video filter in addition to the other 6 outputs. It costs around $250-$300 (list is $449.99) and weighs a freakin' ton (Er, about 17 lb.) It carriers a $750000 equipment protection policy. Available in black or silver. www.apc.com/shop/us/en/products/APC-AV-15-kVA-H-Type-Power-Conditioner-120V/P-H15
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Post by Pueblo Audio on Nov 10, 2016 15:47:27 GMT -6
If your service is that old, you should bring it up to date. Getting your place's electrical capacity and grounding solid will do more to improve EVERY aspect of your systems performance than a 1000 *cough* power "conditioners" ever will.
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Post by ericn on Nov 10, 2016 16:06:49 GMT -6
If your service is that old, you should bring it up to date. Getting your place's electrical capacity and grounding solid will do more to improve EVERY aspect of your systems performance than a 1000 *cough* power "conditioners" ever will. True but do remember many rent spaces and that can make things problematic, add in the fact that even if you can get a land lord to redo the elecetrical they have a long history of doing it on the cheap!
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Post by Pueblo Audio on Nov 10, 2016 17:00:36 GMT -6
If your service is that old, you should bring it up to date. Getting your place's electrical capacity and grounding solid will do more to improve EVERY aspect of your systems performance than a 1000 *cough* power "conditioners" ever will. True but do remember many rent spaces and that can make things problematic, add in the fact that even if you can get a land lord to redo the elecetrical they have a long history of doing it on the cheap! Fair enough. But readers here should not expect any power conditioner to address an electrical service which cannot deliver adequate power to the load. A vintage circuit might only provide 40 amps. A modern service needs 100 to 200 amps. Power conditioners will not alleviate power starvation.
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Post by ericn on Nov 10, 2016 17:25:26 GMT -6
True but do remember many rent spaces and that can make things problematic, add in the fact that even if you can get a land lord to redo the elecetrical they have a long history of doing it on the cheap! Fair enough. But readers here should not expect any power conditioner to address an electrical service which cannot deliver adequate power to the load. A vintage circuit might only provide 40 amps. A modern service needs 100 to 200 amps. Power conditioners will not alleviate power starvation. True I'm not saying I have ever rewired a rental space with 10 ga new outlets and box and installed a new ground rod , because even if I were to replace everything inside a rental space where that was the problem to do so without permits would be wrong.! One thing to remember is often when a you get a utility to replace a Transformer, they often install a transformer pulled from somewhere else rather than a new one ! After living in Galveston where the power was always at least 12 volts high on all meters before Ike, Voltage regulation was a must !
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Post by topshelfmg on Nov 11, 2016 0:07:42 GMT -6
Thanks for the advice guys. I had a bit of electrical hum that did indeed disappear when I got the Furman conditioners, and my electricity here is not absolutely horrible, it's just not super up to date / studio purposed. Besides the hum that immediately went away when filtered, I've had no significant powers with that. I am indeed renting right now.
Let me rephrase, as I probably made things more complicated than I had to. My main concern is that I'm just about out of outlet space, and a power regulator seemed like the only safe way to have 4 separate power conditioners plug in to a single outlet (running through the power regulator, which I would have hooked up to the outlet). The regulation itself would be a bonus, or so I thought. I've had no issues with my power since the conditioners, but my Sweetwater Engineer played into the whole "this will not only let you have all your power conditioners hooked up to a single outlet, but it is much better for your gear, and hey, it might even sound marginally better". Again, he is recommending a unit which has +-5V regulation, which seemed illogical to me as my power averages between 118-122, with a bad day once in a blue moon maybe going an extra volt or so up or down. He still insists it will keep it closer to a constant, "perfect", 120V. It's my understanding it is unsafe to plug multiple conditioners into a power strip, or daisy chain power conditioners, which is the main reason the regulator got brought up. If there is a simpler solution I'm all for it.
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Post by Quint on Nov 11, 2016 0:39:11 GMT -6
Provided you have the necessary available amps and adequate grounding to the plug(s) you would use, one or more double-conversion online UPS's can provide noise clean up due to their ac to dc to ac conversion. Pure sine wave power and very steady voltage (no further voltage regulation required). Be aware though, that I'm not talking about cheap ($200) UPS'S from Best Buy. They MUST be double conversion online UPS's like you might see in a server farm.
If necessary you could just get an existing outlet or two (or a new outlet or two) wired up with proper grounding and appropriate wire gauge to handle the amps you need and just run everything off of that through one or more appropriately sized online UPS's. It's a relatively cheap option but you would have to make sure you have somewhere you can put them where fan noise won't cause a problem, as any worthy online UPS is going to have a fan.
You could then run power distribution from there as needed without worrying about redundant voltage regulators or conditioners. The previous comments stand true about the benefits of supposed power conditioners. Just get some cheapish (under $100) Furmans or something for power distribution and local power control and call it a day.
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Post by topshelfmg on Nov 11, 2016 1:01:41 GMT -6
Provided you have the necessary available amps and adequate grounding to the plug(s) you would use, one or more double-conversion online UPS's can provide noise clean up due to their ac to dc to ac conversion. Pure sine wave power and very steady voltage. If necessary you could just get an existing outlet or two (or a new outlet or two) wired up with proper grounding and appropriate wire gauge to handle the amps you need and just run everything off of that through one or more appropriately sized online UPS's. It's a relatively cheap option but you would have to make sure you have somewhere you can put them where fan noise won't cause a problem. You could then run power distribution from there as needed. I've been meaning to get an UPS anyways, so that seems like a solid option. Do you recommend any models? Also, it's not necessarily tripping the circuit I'm worried about, since I have a start up sequence in place, it's more fires and things of that nature. A voltage regulator was the first (and until now, the only) safe way suggested to plug everything into a single outlet. I see that a lot of these UPSs have conditioning in addition to regulation. Is it in anyway bad to run a power conditioner (filter) through another power conditioner? Even if said "master conditioner" is also a UPS and regulator? Does it also being a regulator and UPS eliminate the reasons it is not recommended to daisy chain power conditioners into each other? I've never looked into the science behind this, I've just been told conditioner -> conditioner = bad / dangerous. I assume it should be fine since it's got to be accounted for that a lot of people with UPSs have enough gear that power conditioners are going to come into play, and be plugged into it. Looking at the Furman F1000 and F1500 now, and reading up about them a bit.
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Post by topshelfmg on Nov 11, 2016 1:07:22 GMT -6
There are some Furman F1500's floating around for a good price if this ends up being the best solution.
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Post by Quint on Nov 11, 2016 1:31:07 GMT -6
Provided you have the necessary available amps and adequate grounding to the plug(s) you would use, one or more double-conversion online UPS's can provide noise clean up due to their ac to dc to ac conversion. Pure sine wave power and very steady voltage. If necessary you could just get an existing outlet or two (or a new outlet or two) wired up with proper grounding and appropriate wire gauge to handle the amps you need and just run everything off of that through one or more appropriately sized online UPS's. It's a relatively cheap option but you would have to make sure you have somewhere you can put them where fan noise won't cause a problem. You could then run power distribution from there as needed. I've been meaning to get an UPS anyways, so that seems like a solid option. Do you recommend any models? Also, it's not necessarily tripping the circuit I'm worried about, since I have a start up sequence in place, it's more fires and things of that nature. A voltage regulator was the first (and until now, the only) safe way suggested to plug everything into a single outlet. I see that a lot of these UPSs have conditioning in addition to regulation. Is it in anyway bad to run a power conditioner (filter) through another power conditioner? Even if said "master conditioner" is also a UPS and regulator? Does it also being a regulator and UPS eliminate the reasons it is not recommended to daisy chain power conditioners into each other? I've never looked into the science behind this, I've just been told conditioner -> conditioner = bad / dangerous. I assume it should be fine since it's got to be accounted for that a lot of people with UPSs have enough gear that power conditioners are going to come into play, and be plugged into it. Looking at the Furman F1000 and F1500 now, and reading up about them a bit. I don't know where all the "conditioner into a conditioner" stuff comes from so I can't speak to that and I also don't know about claims of some UPS's providing conditioning or whatever else. That all sounds like marketing type stuff to me. Also, amps are amps. Your electrical circuit either can or can't provide the necessary amps to power the needs of your equipment. The startup sequence is irrelevant. Fires shouldn't be a concern if the wiring and circuit breakers in your place are in order and NO amount of power conditioners will magically improve that. If the wiring at your place can't provide the amps to power all of your equipment then none of this other stuff matters. Your breaker(s), assuming everything is up to snuff, will trip if you overload them. Also, voltage regulation is about providing a relatively tight voltage supply to your equipment which is good for the equipment but has nothing to do with the total amount of amps you are drawing and is the bigger concern as it pertains to overload or potential fires. All that being said, and in the context of online UPS's, don't think of them as some sort of regulator or conditioner because that implies some sort of circuitry designed to correct or control the voltage that comes out of them. The nice thing about online UPS's is that you are basically running everything through a battery, so no regulation or conditioning is required past that point. The circuit in an online UPS is such that you get pure sine wave power free of noise and exactly at the intended voltage as a product of the ac to dc to ac to conversion process. It just naturally comes out of the battery (and subsequent circuitry) that way. Think of an online UPS as your own little miniature power station, if that helps. No further "correction" necessary. Cheaper UPS's which aren't of the online variety may claim to provide some sort of conditioning or regulation but those aren't the type I'm talking about. Search for double conversion online UPS's. That's the kind I'm talking about. Look at www.upsforless.com to find some good deals on refurbished UPS's. APC are good as well as Leibert and others.
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Post by ericn on Nov 11, 2016 7:20:11 GMT -6
No filter / Conditioner is going to help ground issues or get you more current. plugging strips or conditioners into each other isn't a problem Unless your drawing more current then they or the circuit are capeable of carring.
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Post by topshelfmg on Nov 11, 2016 14:36:00 GMT -6
I've been meaning to get an UPS anyways, so that seems like a solid option. Do you recommend any models? Also, it's not necessarily tripping the circuit I'm worried about, since I have a start up sequence in place, it's more fires and things of that nature. A voltage regulator was the first (and until now, the only) safe way suggested to plug everything into a single outlet. I see that a lot of these UPSs have conditioning in addition to regulation. Is it in anyway bad to run a power conditioner (filter) through another power conditioner? Even if said "master conditioner" is also a UPS and regulator? Does it also being a regulator and UPS eliminate the reasons it is not recommended to daisy chain power conditioners into each other? I've never looked into the science behind this, I've just been told conditioner -> conditioner = bad / dangerous. I assume it should be fine since it's got to be accounted for that a lot of people with UPSs have enough gear that power conditioners are going to come into play, and be plugged into it. Looking at the Furman F1000 and F1500 now, and reading up about them a bit. I don't know where all the "conditioner into a conditioner" stuff comes from so I can't speak to that and I also don't know about claims of some UPS's providing conditioning or whatever else. That all sounds like marketing type stuff to me. Also, amps are amps. Your electrical circuit either can or can't provide the necessary amps to power the needs of your equipment. The startup sequence is irrelevant. Fires shouldn't be a concern if the wiring and circuit breakers in your place are in order and NO amount of power conditioners will magically improve that. If the wiring at your place can't provide the amps to power all of your equipment then none of this other stuff matters. Your breaker(s), assuming everything is up to snuff, will trip if you overload them. Also, voltage regulation is about providing a relatively tight voltage supply to your equipment which is good for the equipment but has nothing to do with the total amount of amps you are drawing and is the bigger concern as it pertains to overload or potential fires. All that being said, and in the context of online UPS's, don't think of them as some sort of regulator or conditioner because that implies some sort of circuitry designed to correct or control the voltage that comes out of them. The nice thing about online UPS's is that you are basically running everything through a battery, so no regulation or conditioning is required past that point. The circuit in an online UPS is such that you get pure sine wave power free of noise and exactly at the intended voltage as a product of the ac to dc to ac to conversion process. It just naturally comes out of the battery (and subsequent circuitry) that way. Think of an online UPS as your own little miniature power station, if that helps. No further "correction" necessary. Cheaper UPS's which aren't of the online variety may claim to provide some sort of conditioning or regulation but those aren't the type I'm talking about. Search for double conversion online UPS's. That's the kind I'm talking about. Look at www.upsforless.com to find some good deals on refurbished UPS's. APC are good as well as Leibert and others. Thank you! Ok that's cool, I like the idea of essentially having my own pure sine wave mini power station. I'm new to DIY audio, and therefore, a rookie at electrical / electronics related issues and shop talk. Since I don't have any problem tripping circuits as is, sounds like I should be fine hooking everything into one outlet, which I'm probably going to spring for a APC or something of that nature. You seem to get a whole lot more for a whole lot less than say, a Furman, because they aren't pushing it as studio purposed though it does the exact same shit. Not sure where I got the conditioner to conditioner warning, but it seems to be bullshit after talking to you guys. The slight improved safety of my gear and studio alone seems well worth the price of admission for an UPS, so I'll start doing some research. For four racks of gear (LA2A, a bunch of preamps..mainly transformer balanced, a Tube Tech LCA 2A, 2 tube eqs, a 10 unit 500 series chassis, FET compressors, Mac Pro, 2 sets of active monitors, converters, etc etc), is there a ballpark of the VA I should be looking for if I were to ever have to have to use the battery back up? 1500, 2000, 2500? I hope to never have to use this feature but just in case. Also, I need to do more research but I see a lot of the Furmans are only rated at 12A. Would I still be getting the full current of my outlet / mains (20a), with the battery back up being what is only rated at 12A? Have yet to check what models such as the APCs are rated at. Just curious of what this spec means.
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Post by topshelfmg on Nov 11, 2016 14:40:17 GMT -6
No filter / Conditioner is going to help ground issues or get you more current. plugging strips or conditioners into each other isn't a problem Unless your drawing more current then they or the circuit are capeable of carring. Gotcha! So if I am not having any current issues or grounding issues now, then I should be fine feeding all the gear into a single outlet. I am running my studio off of 2 different circuits / outlet banks, all within the same breaker box currently, but if moving it all to a single outlet through a UPS or something similar causes any issues I can just power things like my computer, computer monitors, and maybe even reference monitors (active Auratone MixCubes) from the 2nd outlet.
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Post by Pueblo Audio on Nov 11, 2016 15:10:11 GMT -6
Thanks for the advice guys. I had a bit of electrical hum that did indeed disappear when I got the Furman conditioners, and my electricity here is not absolutely horrible, it's just not super up to date / studio purposed. Besides the hum that immediately went away when filtered, I've had no significant powers with that. Generally, filters within power conditioners have little ability to remove 60hz hum. If a hum totally disappeared it would more likely be due to the breaking of a ground loop. Just rearranging your power cord connections can disrupt the mechanism for invasive AC ground currents (the thing that causes hum). A simple power strip may have been just as effective.
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Post by ericn on Nov 11, 2016 15:10:21 GMT -6
No filter / Conditioner is going to help ground issues or get you more current. plugging strips or conditioners into each other isn't a problem Unless your drawing more current then they or the circuit are capeable of carring. Gotcha! So if I am not having any current issues or grounding issues now, then I should be fine feeding all the gear into a single outlet. I am running my studio off of 2 different circuits / outlet banks, all within the same breaker box currently, but if moving it all to a single outlet through a UPS or something similar causes any issues I can just power things like my computer, computer monitors, and maybe even reference monitors (active Auratone MixCubes) from the 2nd outlet. You need to figure out your current draw, if you don't need more current than what single circuit/ breaker will provide your probably fine!
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Post by Pueblo Audio on Nov 11, 2016 15:23:12 GMT -6
I will add that "pure voltage sine wAve" power thingies are basically a red herring What is important for audio performance is instantaneous POWER delivery. Right thinking is "enough Watts in time", not shapely Volts. UPS's, even beefy ones, have poor power transient response. Under a real load the "pure sine" will get mangled & deformed. UPS's are cool for preventing a 'puter from crashing / dubious for audio signal gear performance/ death-by-strangulation for power amps.
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Post by Quint on Nov 11, 2016 16:42:12 GMT -6
I will add that "pure voltage sine wAve" power thingies are basically a red herring What is important for audio performance is instantaneous POWER delivery. Right thinking is "enough Watts in time", not shapely Volts. UPS's, even beefy ones, have poor power transient response. Under a real load the "pure sine" will get mangled & deformed. UPS's are cool for preventing a 'puter from crashing / dubious for audio signal gear performance/ death-by-strangulation for power amps. Please elaborate. My understanding is that a properly sized (oversized) online UPS should provide power just fine. And I agree that the pure sine wave thing can come off as marketing hype but the important take home message of running through an online UPS is that the ac to dc to ac conversion process does eliminate any noise present in the mains from getting into whatever is plugged into the UPS.
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Post by ericn on Nov 11, 2016 17:03:35 GMT -6
I will add that "pure voltage sine wAve" power thingies are basically a red herring What is important for audio performance is instantaneous POWER delivery. Right thinking is "enough Watts in time", not shapely Volts. UPS's, even beefy ones, have poor power transient response. Under a real load the "pure sine" will get mangled & deformed. UPS's are cool for preventing a 'puter from crashing / dubious for audio signal gear performance/ death-by-strangulation for power amps. Please elaborate. My understanding is that a properly sized (oversized) online UPS should provide power just fine. And I agree that the pure sine wave thing can come off as marketing hype but the important take home message of running through an online UPS is that the ac to dc to ac conversion process does eliminate any noise present in the mains from getting into whatever is plugged into the UPS. They are current limiting devices so if you instantly need a very quick burst of current , it's just not able to do it and audio transients suffer! This can be a very big deal with big old traditional Power Amps!
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Post by Quint on Nov 11, 2016 17:49:29 GMT -6
Please elaborate. My understanding is that a properly sized (oversized) online UPS should provide power just fine. And I agree that the pure sine wave thing can come off as marketing hype but the important take home message of running through an online UPS is that the ac to dc to ac conversion process does eliminate any noise present in the mains from getting into whatever is plugged into the UPS. They are current limiting devices so if you instantly need a very quick burst of current , it's just not able to do it and audio transients suffer! This can be a very big deal with big old traditional Power Amps! I understand that current limiting can be a problem but your breaker is a current limiter too and nobody complains about those?
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Post by ericn on Nov 11, 2016 18:13:25 GMT -6
They are current limiting devices so if you instantly need a very quick burst of current , it's just not able to do it and audio transients suffer! This can be a very big deal with big old traditional Power Amps! I understand that current limiting can be a problem but your breaker is a current limiter too and nobody complains about those? Your breaker still lets quick transients through .
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Post by Quint on Nov 11, 2016 18:31:53 GMT -6
I understand that current limiting can be a problem but your breaker is a current limiter too and nobody complains about those? Your breaker still lets quick transients through . That's what my question is about then. What about the design of an online UPS differs that wouldn't allow it to provide power in a sufficient manner? I'm interested to hear more but up to this point I've never heard of such an issue.
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Post by topshelfmg on Nov 11, 2016 19:28:01 GMT -6
I understand that current limiting can be a problem but your breaker is a current limiter too and nobody complains about those? Your breaker still lets quick transients through . What would you recommend then?
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