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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 7, 2016 21:21:27 GMT -6
Did some tracking this weekend. Saturday we added some guitars for an EP I've been working on and Sunday we did basics sessions for another EP. My first time at the place we did the basics at. Wachusett Recording. Here are some pics (full album at link)... Junior Classics with The Mixing House @ Wachusett Recording. imgur.com/a/H0Crp
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Post by joseph on Nov 7, 2016 21:54:50 GMT -6
Room looks to have an easy vibe. Cool drum setup and double bound tele.
Love the guitar pedal cubby. Was that made for shoes?
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Post by Guitar on Nov 7, 2016 23:51:08 GMT -6
fantastic! very vibey place.
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Post by keymod on Nov 8, 2016 5:23:04 GMT -6
How did you like the Trident? Did you use the Trident mic pres?
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Post by swurveman on Nov 8, 2016 7:16:23 GMT -6
Nice. Thanks! What are the overhead and front of kick mics? Would also love to hear the pre mixing drum tracks
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 8, 2016 10:52:10 GMT -6
Yeah, really cool vibey room. I assume the pedal cubby was a shoe rack at one point, but it seems a bit small for shoes. Not really sure. Either way, pretty neat way to store them. We ran most channels through the Trident. Used some eq on the way in. A few of the channels had issues, so had to patch around a bit, but overall things went pretty well, especially for the first time in the room. Here's the input list...
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Post by keymod on Nov 8, 2016 11:44:21 GMT -6
Liking that MP573
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Post by Ward on Nov 8, 2016 12:42:43 GMT -6
Interesting choices.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 8, 2016 12:56:37 GMT -6
How so? I thought I went pretty run of the mill.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 8, 2016 13:17:39 GMT -6
Any line noise issues with mics being so close to the power mains box like that?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 8, 2016 13:36:31 GMT -6
Any line noise issues with mics being so close to the power mains box like that? Nope. Nothing yesterday and just ran off a 15 minute rough mix of one track and didn't notice anything weird.
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Post by wiz on Nov 8, 2016 13:39:10 GMT -6
Killer Vibe
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 8, 2016 14:17:36 GMT -6
Nice! Love Tridents
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Post by Ward on Nov 8, 2016 15:19:24 GMT -6
How so? I thought I went pretty run of the mill. OK, the Frank and AEA R84 to do MS stereo on the kit is interesting. How was it placed? In front or over the top? What kind of room dimensions were you working with and how flatly does the stereo image collapse when summed to mono? And the i5 under the snare? Isn't it kind of a very wide cardioid as opposed to the super-cardioids a lot of us prefer for under the snare? I try to keep any hint of kick or other elements out of the bottom snare mic, for phase reasons alone. How do you incorporate it in there? And is the sound skulptor just the 1073 pre clone or do you have the EQ module with it also? I find 1073s to be great for smear... like overheads but lack the punch of 312s for punch. But I can go either way... and do (when it comes to API versus Neve) on drums. Aston Origin. Kind of like "if Josephson made a U47 get clone, this would be it"?? Is it like that? Kind of a precise heavily diffused version of a U47 fet? I am really unfamiliar with it. Maybe I need to spend time in RI more often and not just drive through. The Sterling (Groove Tubes 44) is a nice choice on hats for detail on bust! That microphone is capable of picking up the noise your fingers make from chords you haven't even played yet... it's just that quick on the detail. So... for hats, is it a nuisance for also probably picking up too much of the wash of the hat cymbals moving, the pulley system and pedal? Like I said, interesting and curious! Finally (and Jesse took a sigh a relief) Heil PR40 on bass cab... again, I've never used it here. What are your thoughts on it? Much EQ required after the fact? How did you position it? Any processing?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 17:01:23 GMT -6
This studio is beautiful, cool band too. Let me know how you like the Aston on the FOK spot!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 8, 2016 17:25:51 GMT -6
How so? I thought I went pretty run of the mill. OK, the Frank and AEA R84 to do MS stereo on the kit is interesting. How was it placed? In front or over the top? What kind of room dimensions were you working with and how flatly does the stereo image collapse when summed to mono? And the i5 under the snare? Isn't it kind of a very wide cardioid as opposed to the super-cardioids a lot of us prefer for under the snare? I try to keep any hint of kick or other elements out of the bottom snare mic, for phase reasons alone. How do you incorporate it in there? And is the sound skulptor just the 1073 pre clone or do you have the EQ module with it also? I find 1073s to be great for smear... like overheads but lack the punch of 312s for punch. But I can go either way... and do (when it comes to API versus Neve) on drums. Aston Origin. Kind of like "if Josephson made a U47 get clone, this would be it"?? Is it like that? Kind of a precise heavily diffused version of a U47 fet? I am really unfamiliar with it. Maybe I need to spend time in RI more often and not just drive through. The Sterling (Groove Tubes 44) is a nice choice on hats for detail on bust! That microphone is capable of picking up the noise your fingers make from chords you haven't even played yet... it's just that quick on the detail. So... for hats, is it a nuisance for also probably picking up too much of the wash of the hat cymbals moving, the pulley system and pedal? Like I said, interesting and curious! Finally (and Jesse took a sigh a relief) Heil PR40 on bass cab... again, I've never used it here. What are your thoughts on it? Much EQ required after the fact? How did you position it? Any processing? The Frank and R84 seem to be working well for room. I was initially planning to use the Frank as a mono room and a pair of Fatheads in a Blum setup, but one fathead was blown up I guess. So instead, I set up the Frank as planned and used the R84 as a side mic. It was lined up with Frank about 8 inches behind (low on stands and needed to use a straight). Checking in mono sounds fine to my ears. I've had decent luck with the i5 below because of the presence boost. For under snare, I'm really just using it to add some sizzle to the snare tone and not much more, so the kick won't be much of an issue for me. I just have the SS MP573 without EQ. I went with this on snare because I was looking to add a little fatness on the way in. Hoping the low mid boost of the N style would give me the beef I needed. The studio has a limited preamp selection and I only brought a small lunchbox, so mostly planned to use the Trident preamps. For me, the Aston does a fine job in front of the kick. All in looking for from that is some low end beef to blend with my inside kick. I've never used a FET 47, so have no idea how it would compare. I'd be better off using a sub kick, but the Aston did what I needed. I think the Sterling on the hats was a brilliant choice. I just picked it up for $50 and wanted to give it a go. Smoked the Oktava that I used past time. The Oktava was wash city, but this Sterling was clean and detailed. Better than I could have imagined. PR40 is my go to bass cab mic. Similar to a RE20. Sounds balls.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 8, 2016 17:55:57 GMT -6
A really clear SDC that constantly surprises me is the KSM137 from Shure.
Thanks for the report, sounds like a lot of fun. Some of those mics are on my radar, but I haven't tried them yet.
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Post by Ward on Nov 9, 2016 7:37:56 GMT -6
Thanks jcoutu1 I never tire of learning from others. And I certainly have learned a couple of things from your posts. We meet way too many dismissive people in the music business who think they can learn nothing from someone else. I'm grateful there might not even be one person like that here on this forum! (I believe Johnkenn booted out the one who was like that)
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Post by keymod on Nov 9, 2016 8:04:56 GMT -6
Thanks jcoutu1 I never tire of learning from others. And I certainly have learned a couple of things from your posts. We meet way too many dismissive people in the music business who think they can learn nothing from someone else. I'm grateful there might not even be one person like that here on this forum! (I believe Johnkenn booted out the one who was like that) I wish Jesse could be a permanent fixture at my place and I'd be happy to simply watch him work.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 9, 2016 8:14:02 GMT -6
Thanks guys.
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Post by ericn on Nov 10, 2016 23:34:25 GMT -6
Yeah, really cool vibey room. I assume the pedal cubby was a shoe rack at one point, but it seems a bit small for shoes. Not really sure. Either way, pretty neat way to store them. We ran most channels through the Trident. Used some eq on the way in. A few of the channels had issues, so had to patch around a bit, but overall things went pretty well, especially for the first time in the room. Here's the input list... I always like it when somebody walks into a room goes ok here's what we've got I'll make it work, instead of I have to have this list of expensive regulars! We learn by taking chances ! You can tell you learned your chops in the world of live one offs, where it's this is what we got , we got to get it set up and roll!
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Post by jazznoise on Nov 11, 2016 13:40:12 GMT -6
Yeah I do the opposite for bottom snare. I'd use an Oktava MK012 most times, but if I can't spare 2 kick AND 2 snare mics then I'm just going to stick an omni (ev635a works well) between the two and balance it up, works great. As JCouto said, you're really using it for the toppy stuff - you could just filter out whatever was phasing in the other mics.
Personally when using stereo room I tend to go for a coincident OH technique. I'll go AB room and XY OH. If I had no channels for room mics I'd use a pair of omni's for overheads.
Not a fan of the 52, or D112, but it depends. I'm not sure many people would be so quick to go for my Opus 99 + Oktava Mk012 combo.
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