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Post by mrholmes on Nov 6, 2016 15:58:00 GMT -6
That's exactly what I was trying to say. I think one of the things that keeps the guy that wants to learn something from posting is someone intimidating them to the point that they're scared to post. Also, the reason some pros don't post on GS anymore is that everybody with a computer thinks they know more than a guy that's been doing it for 20 years. I don't want either of those two scenarios to happen. If guys like Buck Freaking Dharma can post here without saying, "turn on your TV" then everyone else should be able to do the same. Sigh if someone had his 5 Minutes of fame - he or she should be cool and friendly. If someone bosses me around because he is a well known person I leave the job in minutes. I don't care about the money .... no money is worth it to be treated like an asshole. We need more cowbell...
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 6, 2016 16:33:15 GMT -6
Personally I enjoy posting here because it isn't like certain other forums, if the captain of this ship can keep it that way then I for one feel happy about that.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 6, 2016 16:54:04 GMT -6
Maybe I am missing something here but I don't quite get what all the hullabaloo is about as I didn't read too much into any of the comments ? net talk is always deficient as we miss all the body language like 98% of the message ?
Calling anyone on posting some stuff to better substantiate their expertise, I don't have a problem with but it seems what might have been meant as off the cuff internet banter ( how I took it) has been taken pretty seriously.
It seems to me all you guys make a very serious and typically positive contribution here ! I know: silly for me to include, la grand fromage ,Johnkenn in that comment but I just mean this constructively: hoping we can just move on ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 17:55:42 GMT -6
Interesting to see chrisj from airwindows wading in to the similar topic on the other site. The guy's as mad as a box of frogs (see his sm57 mod) but also a genius (love the Slew2 plugin). He also does a consol emultion which I haven't test driven yet, but it has a lot more basic gui like the indigenous Reaper stuff.
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Post by M57 on Nov 6, 2016 18:02:38 GMT -6
OK - I'm normally not the guy who puts threads like these back on topic, but.. I just watched what I think is a pretty well done review/demonstration video and I have to say that the difference the VCC 2 makes sounds pretty significant to me. Even if it's not as good as the real thing(s) - I like it and I want it, and that's all that matters. The only thing that's deterring me at this point is the ilok2, which I've avoided buying up to this point.. and the price. It looks like you can purchase it outright for $150 from Sweetwater (with an ilok), but I'm looking at the list of stuff you get for the subscription fee (basically $180 a year, right?), and I'm thinking about what else I might use to make it worth the yearly payout. The Virtual Tape gets mixed reviews, but I've got to believe it's good enough for me, The VerbSuite looks easy to use - There's mastering stuff.. yada yada.. So like everyone else, I'm looking at the big picture.. On the one hand, my standards get higher as my ear and skills as a engineer/mixologist get better. On the other, it's just a home studio where I'm making vanity recordings for myself - I.e, I'm a musician first and foremost. I have to remind myself that as sexy as it may seem at times, gear is just a means to an end. Honestly, the stock stuff that comes with Logic works pretty damn well, so generally speaking, when making a purchase, I look for plugs that are missing or lacking in Logic. Logic's suite of compressors are pretty amazing, both in quality, features, and range of character, not to mention they are easy to audition against each other. Are Slate's that much better? Will I use their pre-amp plugs? The mastering stuff looks awesome.. I'm in pretty good shape with mics and pre's - though I'd love to pick up something like a 1073 to complement my D4s, and it would be nice to get another WA-2A so I can bounce some stereo busses or mixes through them. Hmm.. a Silver Bullet or reasonable facsimile would be nice. But those are all things I need to save up for, and a couple extra hundo here and there adds up. I'm feeling dirty for having plug-in GAS. Anyway, thanks for listening in to my internal conversation with myself. Comments and recommendations are welcome..
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 6, 2016 18:10:29 GMT -6
OK - I'm normally not the guy who puts threads like these back on topic, but.. I just watched what I think is a pretty well done review/demonstration video and I have to say that the difference the VCC 2 makes sounds pretty significant to me. Even if it's not as good as the real thing(s) - I like it and I want it, and that's all that matters. The only thing that's deterring me at this point is the ilok2, which I've avoided buying up to this point.. and the price. It looks like you can purchase it outright for $150 from Sweetwater (with an ilok), but I'm looking at the list of stuff you get for the subscription fee (basically $180 a year, right?), and I'm thinking about what else I might use to make it worth the yearly payout. The Virtual Tape gets mixed reviews, but I've got to believe it's good enough for me, The VerbSuite looks easy to use - There's mastering stuff.. yada yada.. So like everyone else, I'm looking at the big picture.. On the one hand, my standards get higher as my ear and skills as a engineer/mixologist get better. On the other, it's just a home studio where I'm making vanity recordings for myself - I.e, I'm a musician first and foremost. I have to remind myself that as sexy as it may seem at times, gear is just a means to an end. Honestly, the stock stuff that comes with Logic works pretty damn well, so generally speaking, when making a purchase, I look for plugs that are missing or lacking in Logic. Logic's suite of compressors are pretty amazing, both in quality, features, and range of character, not to mention they are easy to audition against each other. Are Slate's that much better? Will I use their pre-amp plugs? The mastering stuff looks awesome.. I'm in pretty good shape with mics and pre's - though I'd love to pick up something like a 1073 to complement my D4s, and it would be nice to get another WA-2A so I can bounce some stereo busses or mixes through them. Hmm.. a Silver Bullet or reasonable facsimile would be nice. But those are all things I need to save up for, and a couple extra hundo here and there adds up. I'm feeling dirty for having plug-in GAS. Anyway, thanks for listening in to my internal conversation with myself. Comments and recommendations are welcome.. You can buy vcc at 109$ at plug in discount the i lok two is a one time investment....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 18:22:22 GMT -6
subscription is the thing that worries me most although it kinda makes sense. jagged little pill ....
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Post by M57 on Nov 6, 2016 18:27:37 GMT -6
You can buy vcc at 109$ at plug in discount the i lok two is a one time investment.... Thanks! I registered, and it comes in at $117. But even at $109.. add $50 for the ilok and the SW deal is better. It's just too weird. I've never paid this kind of money for a plug in before. I bought Logic for $199 for cripes sake!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 6, 2016 21:29:34 GMT -6
You can buy vcc at 109$ at plug in discount the i lok two is a one time investment.... Thanks! I registered, and it comes in at $117. But even at $109.. add $50 for the ilok and the SW deal is better. It's just too weird. I've never paid this kind of money for a plug in before. I bought Logic for $199 for cripes sake! There is an Ilok 3 now actually, Slate's subscription comes with free Ilok... direct copy of text from gobbler " Tell me about the free iLok 2 offer?" "For new customers, who do not already have an iLok 2 key, Slate offers a free iLok 2 with any subscription. You’ll provide shipping details during the purchase process. A shipping fee, $5.00 for Domestic and $10.00 for International, will be added to your invoice." "Please note: If you order a free iLok 2, Gobbler will create an iLok account for you during the purchase process. Gobbler will use the e-mail address you used to create your Gobbler account as your iLok account's e-mail address and as your iLok account User ID. Upon activation of your susbcription, the licenses will be deposited in the iLok account created by Gobbler. If you already have an existing iLok account, the licenses can be redeposited to it, for a fee. Please contact us at "support @gobbler.com" to request the redeposit of your licenses." I don't think Slate is going to come beating down your door for his "free ilok " to take back if you unsub:)
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 6, 2016 21:51:05 GMT -6
The slate ultimate deal is a killer deal for what you get.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 6, 2016 21:51:19 GMT -6
subscription is the thing that worries me most although it kinda makes sense. jagged little pill .... I did it. Figured what the hell ya know? 15 skins a month is nothing for good software. I waste more than that a month because I'm sometimes too lazy to make my own coffee.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 6, 2016 21:53:04 GMT -6
No shit man...3 skipped lattes. I wouldn't have paid a subscription for one plug...or even three...but there are too many not to pull the trigger
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 6, 2016 21:53:24 GMT -6
And I'm digging the new Slate stuff. Very good plugins.
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Post by ragan on Nov 6, 2016 22:06:11 GMT -6
And I'm digging the new Slate stuff. Very good plugins. That Custom Series EQ might be my favorite software EQ (besides FabFilter stuff which I'd never want to be without). I haven't used it since my free 6 months of subscription when he launched it but I loved that thing.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 6, 2016 22:56:52 GMT -6
Which of the slate plug ins are up to the quality off vcc2 just asking because I want to hear before I subscribe .... Is there an 1176 and LA2A simulation too?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 4:44:14 GMT -6
No shit man...3 skipped lattes. I wouldn't have paid a subscription for one plug...or even three...but there are too many not to pull the trigger lol you know how these things work - once you're hooked and prices rocket there ain't no methadone .....
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Post by M57 on Nov 7, 2016 5:07:07 GMT -6
No shit man...3 skipped lattes. I wouldn't have paid a subscription for one plug...or even three...but there are too many not to pull the trigger Damn. Now that you put it that way, I have to re-think this. Clearly some of you view coffee consumption as merely a recreational activity.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 7, 2016 5:09:46 GMT -6
Which of the slate plug ins are up to the quality off vcc2 just asking because I want to hear before I subscribe .... Is there an 1176 and LA2A simulation too? The Virtual Buss Compressor collection is fantastic to my ears. That gets way more use on my projects than VCC or VTM.
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Post by M57 on Nov 7, 2016 5:09:52 GMT -6
Thanks! I registered, and it comes in at $117. But even at $109.. add $50 for the ilok and the SW deal is better. It's just too weird. I've never paid this kind of money for a plug in before. I bought Logic for $199 for cripes sake! There is an Ilok 3 now actually, Slate's subscription comes with free Ilok... direct copy of text from gobbler " Tell me about the free iLok 2 offer?" I was incorrect about the $150 with Ilok - It's $169 with the iLok (I didn't click on the correct box) . www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/VCC
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Post by M57 on Nov 7, 2016 5:12:43 GMT -6
Which of the slate plug ins are up to the quality off vcc2 just asking because I want to hear before I subscribe .... Is there an 1176 and LA2A simulation too? The Virtual Buss Compressor collection is fantastic to my ears. That gets way more use on my projects than VCC or VTM. j, When you (have to) stay in the box, do you use VCC 2?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 7, 2016 5:29:43 GMT -6
I just watched what I think is a pretty well done review/demonstration video and I have to say that the difference the VCC 2 makes sounds pretty significant to me. Even if it's not as good as the real thing(s) - I like it and I want it, and that's all that matters. Just a note with the VCC. I used it on my wiz mix the other day. I put it on the first insert slot for each track and made some adjustments. Then I proceeded to mix the tune as I normally would. At the end of mixing the tune, if I turn off VCC on all the channels, my mix sounds anemic and some of the levels are a bit off (from adjusting the input of VCC). So, my mix with VCC sounds WAY BETTER than when I turn it off, but my mix decisions were based on the imprint. Had I started from scratch without it on, I probably would have been less aggressive cutting in the low end and came out with something much more similar in the end. Roundabout way of saying that mixing with VCC on, then turning it off isn't a good way to test if it's good for your mix. Also, M57, you're the prime candidate for Slate's subscription service. Someone with mostly stock plugs looking to fill out the collection with a nice suite of plugs. If I were starting fresh, I'd be looking hard at the subscription.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 7, 2016 5:31:38 GMT -6
The Virtual Buss Compressor collection is fantastic to my ears. That gets way more use on my projects than VCC or VTM. j, When you (have to) stay in the box, do you use VCC 2? Still not sold on it. Haven't decided yet if it's worth the time. I bought VCC1 years ago, tried it a couple times, didn't care for the amount of effort. VCC2 is improved, but I'm still not sure if it's worth the hassle.
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Post by Randge on Nov 7, 2016 8:06:27 GMT -6
I just watched what I think is a pretty well done review/demonstration video and I have to say that the difference the VCC 2 makes sounds pretty significant to me. Even if it's not as good as the real thing(s) - I like it and I want it, and that's all that matters. Just a note with the VCC. I used it on my wiz mix the other day. I put it on the first insert slot for each track and made some adjustments. Then I proceeded to mix the tune as I normally would. At the end of mixing the tune, if I turn off VCC on all the channels, my mix sounds anemic and some of the levels are a bit off (from adjusting the input of VCC). So, my mix with VCC sounds WAY BETTER than when I turn it off, but my mix decisions were based on the imprint. Had I started from scratch without it on, I probably would have been less aggressive cutting in the low end and came out with something much more similar in the end. Roundabout way of saying that mixing with VCC on, then turning it off isn't a good way to test if it's good for your mix. Also, M57 , you're the prime candidate for Slate's subscription service. Someone with mostly stock plugs looking to fill out the collection with a nice suite of plugs. If I were starting fresh, I'd be looking hard at the subscription. If I were M57 , I'd look at Plugin Alliance and get the Elysia package as well as the Hofa package from Hofa's own site. It's about 90% of what I use plugin-wise these days. The Hofa site gives you 30 days use for trial of their plugs, so you can really get a feel for them.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 7, 2016 8:23:21 GMT -6
I just watched what I think is a pretty well done review/demonstration video and I have to say that the difference the VCC 2 makes sounds pretty significant to me. Even if it's not as good as the real thing(s) - I like it and I want it, and that's all that matters. Just a note with the VCC. I used it on my wiz mix the other day. I put it on the first insert slot for each track and made some adjustments. Then I proceeded to mix the tune as I normally would. At the end of mixing the tune, if I turn off VCC on all the channels, my mix sounds anemic and some of the levels are a bit off (from adjusting the input of VCC). So, my mix with VCC sounds WAY BETTER than when I turn it off, but my mix decisions were based on the imprint. Had I started from scratch without it on, I probably would have been less aggressive cutting in the low end and came out with something much more similar in the end. Roundabout way of saying that mixing with VCC on, then turning it off isn't a good way to test if it's good for your mix. Also, M57 , you're the prime candidate for Slate's subscription service. Someone with mostly stock plugs looking to fill out the collection with a nice suite of plugs. If I were starting fresh, I'd be looking hard at the subscription. With what ever you mix if you switch it off the mix will change. This is not the question to me, the questions are (to me and just to me): 1. Does it make the impression to sound like with the summing mixer? Yes it does its maybe a different sound, but there is more space, more depth, more dimension with VCC. 2. Is the mix faster ready, same feel as with the summing mixer .... Oh yes I make my mix decisions easier. 3. Is it exactly the same. No I have the impression that the real console bends the transients very nice - something what I like. 4. If its true and it is a precise recreation of an SSL, for example, than there is a reason why some people react the way they do. But I don't care if it sounds like the consoles they claim to model. Slate have found a way to give you back some of the real gear feel in the digital domain. I think its a good move and even better if they improve their product line. Here is a snippet of what I wrote yesterday evening. Even with the shit compression of soundcloud I can hear depth and dimension and that proofs to me that VCC2 works. https%3A//soundcloud.com/andreasoberholz/last-prayer-adamaudio-soundtrack
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 7, 2016 8:24:00 GMT -6
double post
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