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Post by ragan on Nov 3, 2016 23:44:55 GMT -6
Here is the mix I am on atm... Two mixes one with VCC 2 and one without. The non VCC 2 Mix No VCC
The VCC 2 Mix (channels are RC Tube, each channel at 0VU peaking, Mix Buss is 4KE at +3VU peaking) VCC RcTube Channels 4KE Mix Buss
So what do you think? I like it... but I need to come back after a break and double check... but my initial reaction is very positive... Certainly way better than I remember it. I tried the other models on the channels, and the RC tube was pretty much the stand out on this. CPU usage was very low. The interface is easier than last time, IIRC. cheers Wiz It really adds a nice touch. Pulls me into the song more. Great song and performance as always, Pete. Nice to see you back around these parts, Cowboy! Baseball season over, eh?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 3, 2016 23:50:29 GMT -6
It really adds a nice touch. Pulls me into the song more. Great song and performance as always, Pete. Nice to see you back around these parts, Cowboy! Baseball season over, eh? Haha! Yep, sadly! Good to be back, Ragan.
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Post by donr on Nov 4, 2016 12:44:32 GMT -6
One good thing about VCC 2 is grouping channels for drive and level is so much easier within the VMR format than it was for VCC 1. Decent video on using the VCC came out today. That is Steven singing on that tune, Buck. He's pretty damn good if ask me! Yeah, that tune is not bad at all. Note, that's the vocal that Steven first introduced the Virtual Mic with almost two years ago. I took that clip off youtube and made a ring tone out of it. I had Steven call my cell phone at NAMM in front of him and that's what came up. He said "ha, now you have my cell phone number."
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 4, 2016 12:51:53 GMT -6
That is Steven singing on that tune, Buck. He's pretty damn good if ask me! Yeah, that tune is not bad at all. Note, that's the vocal that Steven first introduced the Virtual Mic with almost two years ago. I took that clip off youtube and made a ring tone out of it. I had Steven call my cell phone at NAMM in front of him and that's what came up. He said "ha, now you have my cell phone number." Haha! I've got his number too. Haven't talked to him in ages though.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 4, 2016 12:56:30 GMT -6
I'm not following slate stuff closely now, has he updated vcc recently ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 4, 2016 13:54:02 GMT -6
Can't say I'm a big fan of that song... OK...so, I'm an asshole.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 4, 2016 14:38:50 GMT -6
Hey Pete, ya the 2nd mix definitely has more goin on with the vcc2 and I agree with all the positive comments about your performance, engineering and playing I
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Post by wiz on Nov 4, 2016 14:42:33 GMT -6
Hey Pete, ya the 2nd mix definitely has more goin on with the vcc2 and I agree with all the positive comments about your performance, engineering and playing I Hey Kcat thanks bud... I listened this morning with fresh ears... I still like the VCC2 version. Don't know if it would work on everything, but its gonna get a try from now on for sure... cheers Wiz
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Post by drbill on Nov 4, 2016 14:47:06 GMT -6
For those who have used V.2 for awhile...... Is this SUBSTANTIALLY better than V.1? I mean, is there a major difference? Cause I used V.1 for a few weeks and then jettisoned it. Made mixes more....ugh, hard to put into words, but more phasey, squishy. Not a good representation of what analog consoles actually do.
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Post by ragan on Nov 4, 2016 15:06:46 GMT -6
Hey Pete, ya the 2nd mix definitely has more goin on with the vcc2 and I agree with all the positive comments about your performance, engineering and playing I Hey Kcat thanks bud... I listened this morning with fresh ears... I still like the VCC2 version. Don't know if it would work on everything, but its gonna get a try from now on for sure... cheers Wiz FWIW, RC-Tube is by far the most colored of the VCC options (as I'm sure you know). You might like the SSL(s) for something less obvious. I've been on the fence about VCC forever but I'm going to do some careful ABing before I mix the record I'm working on.
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Post by topshelfmg on Nov 4, 2016 15:08:56 GMT -6
I've had good experiences with VCC2. I use it in conjunction with Dangerous Music summing. I feel like when I use VCC channel on individual tracks (it is normally one of the, if not the first insert on just about all of my individual tracks), by the end all that "subtly" builds up and I notice quite a big positive difference as far as depth, tone, and how everything sits in the mix. A lot of the time i'll even use the mix buss VCC, in addition to analog summing. I feel like they each add their own thing. I agree with the SSL G and especially the E on most tracks (vocals, acoustic instruments, keys/synths, etc) being my favorites. I'll use the Neve and API channel emulations on drums and electric guitars every now and then, but as for the mix buss emulations I almost always use the E series, with the G probably being used 2nd most frequently. Another thing I will do with VCC that I really enjoy, is putting it on my FX sends / busses in my DAW, which makes it sound a little more like a console send / aux.
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 4, 2016 15:22:02 GMT -6
For those who have used V.2 for awhile...... Is this SUBSTANTIALLY better than V.1? I mean, is there a major difference? Cause I used V.1 for a few weeks and then jettisoned it. Made mixes more....ugh, hard to put into words, but more phasey, squishy. Not a good representation of what analog consoles actually do. I mixed my last album using VCC1 and used the K14 gain staging throughout including my outboard and I can say hand on heart there isn't a hint of phaseyness, or squishiness just to my mind a very good representation of a large format console, with added depth and tone, it's true I was getting some analog summing from using a hardware bus compressor and the HEDD 192 tube/tape FX always add some special magic, but still I was and remian very impressed with VCC. Just my perosnal experinece.
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Post by drbill on Nov 4, 2016 15:24:23 GMT -6
For those who have used V.2 for awhile...... Is this SUBSTANTIALLY better than V.1? I mean, is there a major difference? Cause I used V.1 for a few weeks and then jettisoned it. Made mixes more....ugh, hard to put into words, but more phasey, squishy. Not a good representation of what analog consoles actually do. I mixed my last album using VCC1 and used the K14 gain staging throughout including my outboard and I can say hand on heart there isn't a hint of phaseyness, or squishiness just to my mind a very good representation of a large format console, with added depth and tone, it's true I was getting summing from using a hardware bus compressor and the HEDD 192 tub/tape FX always add some special magic, but still I was and remian very impressed with VCC. Just my perosnal experinece. One man's nirvana is another man's fail I guess. I mixed on LFAC's for a couple decades, and VCC1 doesn't sound like them to me. If I had to compare, it's like a photo of a sunset, compared to a sunset. My $.02, and coincidentally the $.02 of my clients. Not inclined to try v.2 unless significant changes were made.
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Post by ragan on Nov 4, 2016 15:27:36 GMT -6
I mixed my last album using VCC1 and used the K14 gain staging throughout including my outboard and I can say hand on heart there isn't a hint of phaseyness, or squishiness just to my mind a very good representation of a large format console, with added depth and tone, it's true I was getting summing from using a hardware bus compressor and the HEDD 192 tub/tape FX always add some special magic, but still I was and remian very impressed with VCC. Just my perosnal experinece. One man's nirvana is another man's fail I guess. I mixed on LFAC's for a couple decades, and VCC1 doesn't sound like them to me. If I had to compare, it's like a photo of a sunset, compared to a sunset. My $.02, and coincidentally the $.02 of my clients. Not inclined to try v.2 unless significant changes were made. It's worth a demo. It's better. I kinda doubt it'll sell you on it but it's worth a free trial.
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Post by drbill on Nov 4, 2016 15:32:18 GMT -6
I own it, but don't have it installed. I think I'll pass.... The hybrid approach is working well for me. Thanks for the reply. Got all excited for a couple of minutes. LOL
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 4, 2016 15:46:49 GMT -6
I own it, but don't have it installed. I think I'll pass.... The hybrid approach is working well for me. Thanks for the reply. Got all excited for a couple of minutes. LOL Hybrid is using digital tools along with analog. VCC won't hurt your hybrid approach. Got any samples of your hybrid rig we can hear?
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Post by drbill on Nov 4, 2016 16:07:24 GMT -6
I own it, but don't have it installed. I think I'll pass.... The hybrid approach is working well for me. Thanks for the reply. Got all excited for a couple of minutes. LOL Hybrid is using digital tools along with analog. VCC won't hurt your hybrid approach. Got any samples of your hybrid rig we can hear? I know. It may not hurt my "approach" but it did compromise my output. Turn on your TV. You'll hear stuff I did.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 4, 2016 16:08:04 GMT -6
I own it, but don't have it installed. I think I'll pass.... The hybrid approach is working well for me. Thanks for the reply. Got all excited for a couple of minutes. LOL to my ear the real gear shapes the transietnts more vs. vcc all the rest makes vcc just a diffrent flavour nothig that will hurt your flow. the api sounds very lush wide and open love this setting....
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 4, 2016 18:10:22 GMT -6
Hybrid is using digital tools along with analog. VCC won't hurt your hybrid approach. Got any samples of your hybrid rig we can hear? I know. It may not hurt my "approach" but it did compromise my output. Turn on your TV. You'll hear stuff I did. Eye roll emoji
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Post by drbill on Nov 4, 2016 20:56:48 GMT -6
Sorry to once again fall short......
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Post by ericn on Nov 4, 2016 21:42:57 GMT -6
Hybrid is using digital tools along with analog. VCC won't hurt your hybrid approach. Got any samples of your hybrid rig we can hear? I know. It may not hurt my "approach" but it did compromise my output. Turn on your TV. You'll hear stuff I did. You mean there's something on besides election ads? In the old days I could at least say they were money in my bank acct., that made them almost tolerable!
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 4, 2016 21:54:47 GMT -6
For those who have used V.2 for awhile...... Is this SUBSTANTIALLY better than V.1? I mean, is there a major difference? Cause I used V.1 for a few weeks and then jettisoned it. Made mixes more....ugh, hard to put into words, but more phasey, squishy. Not a good representation of what analog consoles actually do. Well, I haven't used these new version 2 plugs a long time. But I will say that I agree with your assessment of V1 and did the same thing. Tried them, couldn't get accustomed and tossed them. Never looked back until now. But I just subscribed for the 15 bucks a month deal today if that tells you anything. These new ones are more than usable. They're actually pretty great IMO.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 4, 2016 21:58:15 GMT -6
Hybrid is using digital tools along with analog. VCC won't hurt your hybrid approach. Got any samples of your hybrid rig we can hear? I know. It may not hurt my "approach" but it did compromise my output. Turn on your TV. You'll hear stuff I did. You did work on The Andy Griffith Show?? That's about all I'll watch these days..
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 5, 2016 4:55:10 GMT -6
Turn on your TV. You'll hear stuff I did. Such a cop out. Such and such a mic sounds wonderful and better than another one (no example of how it sounds). 4 silver bullets with the blend of Neve and API sounds really make my mixes sing (no example of some killer mix). I ditched my console and work hybrid now and everything sounds better than ever (no before and after for us to hear). I don't understand how so many people can listen wholeheartedly to your advice when nobody ever knowingly hears a sample of your work. It's all just talk.
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Post by donr on Nov 5, 2016 6:13:19 GMT -6
I own it, but don't have it installed. I think I'll pass.... The hybrid approach is working well for me. Thanks for the reply. Got all excited for a couple of minutes. LOL V. 2 is definitely better, or it could be confirmation bias. I'd use V. 1 on some individual tracks as a tone control, but didn't like it across everything. V.2 seems to work as advertised, but real analog sounds more like analog, doesn't it. I think the Trident model is the secret weapon. It's a color not readily available elsewhere.
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