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Post by javamad on Oct 28, 2016 1:23:51 GMT -6
I was hoping that they would go to 32 - at least.
My MBP is 4 years old (and still going fine) but when I am in the mood for virtual instruments the 16Gb max ram starts to be a problem so I was hoping that at my next MBP upgrade I would be able to get more memory. Pity.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 28, 2016 4:30:17 GMT -6
I was hoping that they would go to 32 - at least. My MBP is 4 years old (and still going fine) but when I am in the mood for virtual instruments the 16Gb max ram starts to be a problem so I was hoping that at my next MBP upgrade I would be able to get more memory. Pity. I almost started this same thread yesterday. I'm due for a new machine in June and might seriously consider a PC.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 4:41:25 GMT -6
I was hoping that they would go to 32 - at least. My MBP is 4 years old (and still going fine) but when I am in the mood for virtual instruments the 16Gb max ram starts to be a problem so I was hoping that at my next MBP upgrade I would be able to get more memory. Pity. I almost started this same thread yesterday. I'm due for a new machine in June and might seriously consider a PC. Less money / more spec. Win/Win Windows Guess the bug is if all you're VSTi's are Mac only?
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Post by M57 on Oct 28, 2016 5:09:12 GMT -6
I almost started this same thread yesterday. I'm due for a new machine in June and might seriously consider a PC. Less money / more spec. Win/Win Windows Guess the bug is if all you're VSTi's are Mac only? ..or if you're beholden to Logic's proprietary plug-ins. E.g, I audition compressors on tracks for every project like it was the first time I've heard them, and I end up using one from Logics' suite probably 80% of the time. I find it very convenient to punch through them, and the range of coloration (or transparency) is broad. MJUC wins out in the third party category more often then not, but its colorations are stark and its metallic leanings are often just too over the top for me. I can't even think of the others I have (most of them are free). I should probably pick up a few more.. but then I may end up buying a PC - HAH! It's a good think I'm not a laptop user.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 28, 2016 5:11:55 GMT -6
The mbp is a very fine laptop just not optimized for audio recording: more ram was an obvious upgrade feature !
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Post by javamad on Oct 28, 2016 6:20:16 GMT -6
I almost started this same thread yesterday. I'm due for a new machine in June and might seriously consider a PC. Less money / more spec. Win/Win Windows Guess the bug is if all you're VSTi's are Mac only? ehhh... no way would I go to a PC. As a computer programmet/IT guy I just can't handle Windows ... and in general MS products. I have them all black listed. (I don't want to make this a thread about Mac vs. PC so please don't try to convince me on this. I have my reasons and have not touched a PC - outside my day job - for 10 years) So my solution for virtual instruments would be to either: - Create stems for the parts as I create them and disable the midi track so as to not consume resources. (I actually experimented with this a month ago to see if plugins worked better on audio tracks ... but to no conclusive results)
- do the Vienna Ensemble thing with a Mac mini
- wait and hope the Mac Pro gets a good upgrade soon ... though that would loose me my mobility
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 6:53:39 GMT -6
Less money / more spec. Win/Win Windows Guess the bug is if all you're VSTi's are Mac only? ehhh... no way would I go to a PC. As a computer programmet/IT guy I just can't handle Windows ... and in general MS products. I have them all black listed. (I don't want to make this a thread about Mac vs. PC so please don't try to convince me on this. I have my reasons and have not touched a PC - outside my day job - for 10 years) So my solution for virtual instruments would be to either: - Create stems for the parts as I create them and disable the midi track so as to not consume resources. (I actually experimented with this a month ago to see if plugins worked better on audio tracks ... but to no conclusive results)
- do the Vienna Ensemble thing with a Mac mini
- wait and hope the Mac Pro gets a good upgrade soon ... though that would loose me my mobility
Apologies - misunderstood then intention of your first post. Yes it is a pity they will not put 32 gb of ram in the upgrade
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 28, 2016 7:07:31 GMT -6
Less money / more spec. Win/Win Windows Guess the bug is if all you're VSTi's are Mac only? ehhh... no way would I go to a PC. As a computer programmet/IT guy I just can't handle Windows ... and in general MS products. I have them all black listed. (I don't want to make this a thread about Mac vs. PC so please don't try to convince me on this. I have my reasons and have not touched a PC - outside my day job - for 10 years) So my solution for virtual instruments would be to either: - Create stems for the parts as I create them and disable the midi track so as to not consume resources. (I actually experimented with this a month ago to see if plugins worked better on audio tracks ... but to no conclusive results)
- do the Vienna Ensemble thing with a Mac mini
- wait and hope the Mac Pro gets a good upgrade soon ... though that would loose me my mobility
Tell me more. I'm also an IT guy and have been a die hard Mac user for the past 14 years. I also hate dealing with Windows, but it seems like Windows 10 has been pretty stable so far. With Apple updating their OS every year (which gets tiresome, my 10.9 machine is on the brink of being unsupported and upgrading could break plugin/driver compatibility) and these poor hardware choices (upgradable RAM and HD, 16GB Max, ditching all the ports, etc.) I'm starting to lose faith. Both the Dell Precision and Asus Zen seem to provide better hardware options for less money...but it's the dark side.
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Post by keymod on Oct 28, 2016 8:33:51 GMT -6
If I hadn't just spent 2200 for repairs to my van, I would be buying an ADK laptop Which is already specced out and waiting for my order.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 28, 2016 14:21:03 GMT -6
I have a mid 2012 15.5" MBP shipped with Lion and I'm still on Lion I have 2.6 ghz quad i7 6mb l3 cache, 1600mhz ddr3 sdram, 5400 750 HD, hd graphics, get 650m processor of gddr5..... Idk, I have been looking for an upgrade but am lost, looking like an iMac.... or SSD my current, upgrade ram if possible etc I've noticed during peak performance while charging and powering other screens that I get random dropouts and not the same efficient performance. I assume once I upgrade these parts and components to my current Mac, I'll prob be good to wait for the next iteration of the new MacBook Pro
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 28, 2016 14:28:13 GMT -6
I have a mid 2012 15.5" MBP shipped with Lion and I'm still on Lion I have 2.6 ghz quad i7 6mb l3 cache, 1600mhz ddr3 sdram, 5400 750 HD, hd graphics, get 650m processor of gddr5..... Idk, I have been looking for an upgrade but am lost, looking like an iMac.... or SSD my current, upgrade ram if possible etc I'm on the Retina 15", Late 2013. Quad 2GHz i7, 16GB RAM, 512 SSD. Good machine. I just don't feel like any of the new offerings are a real upgrade from where I'm at. My boss is running a Dell Precision laptop. i7 Quad 2.7GHz, 32GB RAM, 1.5TB SSD, 4k touch screen. Still has USB 3, USB-C Thunderbolt, regular charging port, memory card slot, etc. Seems like a great option. I'm just concerned about DAW/Interface compatibility using Windows.
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Post by Ward on Oct 29, 2016 7:33:20 GMT -6
There is a way to get 32GB of RAM in there. Ask around. You'll find someone who knows how to do it.
And, make sure you're running a SSD too.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 29, 2016 8:06:49 GMT -6
There is a way to get 32GB of RAM in there. Ask around. You'll find someone who knows how to do it. And, make sure you're running a SSD too. This is disinformation. The RAM on the Retina and newer MBP's is soldered directly to the motherboard. 16 is the max unless you want to "try" getting really crazy with a brand new $2500 machine.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 29, 2016 9:42:47 GMT -6
There is a way to get 32GB of RAM in there. Ask around. You'll find someone who knows how to do it. And, make sure you're running a SSD too. This is disinformation. The RAM on the Retina and newer MBP's is soldered directly to the motherboard. 16 is the max unless you want to "try" getting really crazy with a brand new $2500 machine. If I can put two 8 gb ram cards in my laptop why not two 16's? I'm a noob take it easy on me please... jcoutu1 I agree the new MBP are the same thing from 2013, just as expensive with similar performance.. I love my MBP has been best computer I have ever had.... Sad that all the euro people got a £500 increase in a day.... My MBP is made in China.... I thought the reason we started paying more a few years ago was because the computers were made in California?
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Post by Ward on Oct 30, 2016 12:43:22 GMT -6
There is a way to get 32GB of RAM in there. Ask around. You'll find someone who knows how to do it. And, make sure you're running a SSD too. This is disinformation. The RAM on the Retina and newer MBP's is soldered directly to the motherboard. 16 is the max unless you want to "try" getting really crazy with a brand new $2500 machine. Now, Jesse, do you think everybody plays by the rules and throws up their hands in the air and says (in Goofy's voice) "Oh well, Apple doesn't want me to do that, so gawrsh darn it, Mikey, I just cay-int"?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 30, 2016 12:47:33 GMT -6
This is disinformation. The RAM on the Retina and newer MBP's is soldered directly to the motherboard. 16 is the max unless you want to "try" getting really crazy with a brand new $2500 machine. Now, Jesse, do you think everybody plays by the rules and throws up their hands in the air and says (in Goody's voice) "Oh well, Apple doesn't want me to do that, so gawrsh darn it, Mikey, I just cay-int"? Well, if you've got the balls to spend $2500 on a machine, void the warranty out of the box, and start fucking around with a soldering iron and some RAM that may or may not work, more power too you. Bigger balls than me, that's for sure.
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Post by Ward on Oct 30, 2016 13:09:14 GMT -6
Now, Jesse, do you think everybody plays by the rules and throws up their hands in the air and says (in Goody's voice) "Oh well, Apple doesn't want me to do that, so gawrsh darn it, Mikey, I just cay-int"? Well, if you've got the balls to spend $2500 on a machine, void the warranty out of the box, and start fucking around with a soldering iron and some RAM that may or may not work, more power too you. Bigger balls than me, that's for sure. Guilty.
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Post by rowmat on Oct 30, 2016 16:47:28 GMT -6
Don't worry I'm sure Apple will offer a 32gb Ram option on their next release MBP... for an extra $600!
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Post by popmann on Oct 30, 2016 18:08:39 GMT -6
You can load the entire VSL orchestra (the buffers) into less than 8gb of RAM.
Using SSDs literally literally to REDUCE the amount of RAM needed for VIs.
HERE....is where you have a legit gripe with apple for studio use--they limit even a $10k MacPro to a 1TB SSD. But, the point is--you can't HOLD enough samples on a disk to not buffer them in 16gb. USB3 is unable to do disk streaming at that level--an instrument or two? Sure....so, the scenario in the real world would be that you have an external Thunderbolt connected SSD array of whatever 6+TB to hold a collection of samples you need more than 16gb to buffer.
editing to make more simple....OP....if you're using an internal or TB connected SSD to hold the samples, adjust the app's buffering (not your DAW...the plug in/VI/sampler) amount down. If you have to use external drives, they need to be SSDs and connected via Thunderbolt.
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 30, 2016 18:22:58 GMT -6
Don't worry I'm sure Apple will offer a 32gb Ram option on their next release MBP... for an extra $600! Apple is going crazy in the last 3-4 years. I have the feeling they release every week a new OS and the old one still isn't working like it should. They build Mac Pros which cant be upgraded or expanded with PCIe cards. My 2012 Mac Pro Laptop is lame as a duck under OSX 10.11 answer by apple. "You need to replace the HD wit an SSD" In other words they did stop supporting HDD. Its not the same without Steve Jobs. Oh na yes I am planing to leave the Apple family after 20 years....
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Post by rowmat on Oct 30, 2016 18:51:52 GMT -6
I have a late 2012 MBP 15" Retina i7 2.7ghz, 16gb DDR3 RAM, 750GB SSD inc 2x TB, 2x USB 3.0 ports.
I have no inclination to upgrade anytime soon although I suspect Apple will make it progressively harder to stick with perfectly functioning older hardware via screwing users with updates that are deliberately configured not to play nicely with older machines.
Our recently acquired late 2013 27" iMac is a non Retina i7 3.5ghz, 32gb DDR3 RAM, 3TB fusion drive, 4GB Nvidia graphics.
I'm trying to make our setup as least reliant on updates as possible so that may mean even keeping disconnected from the net unless for a specific purpose as both Apple and MS seem to becoming more stealthy in forcing unwanted and unecessary OS updates upon users.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 30, 2016 19:09:44 GMT -6
I have a late 2012 MBP 15" Retina i7 2.7ghz, 16gb DDR3 RAM, 750GB SSD inc 2x TB, 2x USB 3.0 ports. I have no inclination to upgrade anytime soon although I suspect Apple will make it progressively harder to stick with perfectly functioning older hardware via screwing users with updates that are deliberately configured not to play nicely with older machines. Our recently acquired late 2013 27" iMac is a non Retina i7 3.5ghz, 32gb DDR3 RAM, 3TB fusion drive, 4GB Nvidia graphics. I'm trying to make our setup as least reliant on updates as possible so that may mean even keeping disconnected from the net unless for a specific purpose as both Apple and MS seem to becoming more stealthy in forcing unwanted and unecessary OS updates upon users. What OS on the Retina?
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Post by spock on Oct 30, 2016 19:13:28 GMT -6
I have a late 2012 MBP 15" Retina i7 2.7ghz, 16gb DDR3 RAM, 750GB SSD inc 2x TB, 2x USB 3.0 ports. I have that same machine, the first Retina late 2012; the day the new MacBook Pro was announced, I ordered this config: 2.9GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7 16GB 2133MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM Radeon Pro 460 with 4GB VRAM 1TB PCIe-based SSD Four Thunderbolt 3 ports Touch Bar and Touch ID Force Touch trackpad KYBD/USER'S GUIDE COUNTRY KIT AppleCare Protection Plan for 15" MacBook Pro Automatically registered with your Apple Hardware.
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Post by rowmat on Oct 30, 2016 19:21:07 GMT -6
I have a late 2012 MBP 15" Retina i7 2.7ghz, 16gb DDR3 RAM, 750GB SSD inc 2x TB, 2x USB 3.0 ports. I have no inclination to upgrade anytime soon although I suspect Apple will make it progressively harder to stick with perfectly functioning older hardware via screwing users with updates that are deliberately configured not to play nicely with older machines. Our recently acquired late 2013 27" iMac is a non Retina i7 3.5ghz, 32gb DDR3 RAM, 3TB fusion drive, 4GB Nvidia graphics. I'm trying to make our setup as least reliant on updates as possible so that may mean even keeping disconnected from the net unless for a specific purpose as both Apple and MS seem to becoming more stealthy in forcing unwanted and unecessary OS updates upon users. What OS on the Retina? I ended up with El Capitan on the MBP Retina as I am using the current version of Logic but our main studio iMac is running Reaper under Yosemite. I have a USB Mavericks installer which I can roll back to but I'm more concerned about replacing our flaky Presonus Firestudio LightPipe with a recently acquired RME ADI-648 ADAT<>MADI interface for use with a pair of modified Alesis HD24XR's.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 30, 2016 19:24:36 GMT -6
spock so is that ram a fair bit faster than what you used to have so you actually have faster short term processing capacity in the same 16 gigs plus faster cpu?
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