Country singer killed in Nashville bar shooting

"Others in the group left the bar during the argument and reported hearing gunshots."

Such a classic "Nobody saw nothing" line.

I'd express irritation at the gun laws in the US, but I'm guessing people already know how I feel about that!

to "me" it's about facts and statistics, it's a lack of tolerance here in the USA from the people in possession of the 88.8 guns per 100 people in this country. We by faaaaaaar lead the civilized/developed world in murder by gun. It has nothing to do with people in general, it has to do with the USA's culture of delusional, stand your ground macho man violence, it's total BS, if it was just idiots shooting other idiots, i'd be fine with it till there all dead, unfortunately thats not the case.

The cartoon represents the lack of logic that is pushed to ubiquity in the US by the nra, and gobbled up by low info outback paranoids. They are single issue voters, who constantly vote against their own best interests??? They cry liberty at the top of their lungs(unless it's your religion, pussy and sex life, then you're free to do as they tell you). You'll often hear the parroting of "their coming to take our guns" "we gotta have MORE to fight the tyranny of the oppressor gov", it's bazar, by that logic, i guess we all need a pocket nuke, F16 jet, and a tank in our garage so we have an even money chance against the evil gov of the USA...
But back in reality, i for one, don't want to live in the wild fucking west with a bunch of lowbrow morons who have the ability to shoot shit up on a whim, god forbid you have a disagreement with one of these assholes, they'll shoot you in the face. For the love of creation!, the title article of this thread has a country singer, and a bar owner....fit that into that stupid cartoon!
It seems odd to have this conversation in a forum that's essentially about "creating"? Certain guns have a place in society, I know plenty of people who own guns and they are completely normal, and use them responsibly, but the guns that are possessed by slow delusional's who fancy destruction, is way out of control... beware of the country singer, bar owner, college student, high school student, postal worker, neighborhood watch guy...etc, the ones who just may have a screw loose, 88.8 times out of 100, will be packing.

i won't be posting in this thread again, i know where it's going, i've seen this movie already, and it's an exercise in futility to be pointing out logic to folks who refuse to use logic and reason. If Sandyhook elementary wasn't enough to wake people in this country the F up, then there is no chance of it.

All I'm going to say before I leave this thread is this was not posted as a seed to create political debate, but I guess some just can't resist. If someone doesn't want one, don't buy one, but leave mine alone. Molon labe.

It was at 5 freaking AM. After a long night of drinking and other things I would imagine. Intoxication caused this, not guns. If you want to solve bigger issues, make alcohol illegal. And as for the cartoon...while I agree that America has an obsession with guns, I don't see how taking law abiding citizen's rights away can and will solve any problems. This guy had a legal permit to carry the gun. You see, criminals don't bother with laws, so making them harder to get makes no difference to them. So some drunk moron shot someone for lighting a cigarette and now it's the gun's fault?

No, they're not...

Well, around here criminals shoot other criminals. Mostly.
Not drunk barkeepers drunk guests...
From outside, it looks like 'round your country people live in a permanent state of fear and latent "i need a fireweapon for my safety and better i shoot first" attitude. This combined with the number of weapons makes it so dangerous.
There are other countries with fairly many weapons (for hunting or sports!), too, where shootings or gun murders are not even considered a real problem per se. But - they have another social structure, and most probably they don't live in anything near the eternal fear for terrorists/criminals/drug addicts/gun-crazy lunatics/whatever that seems to dominate your media and people in the US.....

People living outside the U.S. don't see the facts, only the stories. They don't see, and never will see that the states and cities with the most gun control have the most gun violence, and it's simply because their gun control laws aren't directed at the criminals, the laws only affect law abiding citizens. I'm sure I'll get the same blah blah blah response to this, but the facts are the facts. If there's a culture that thrives on guns, and violence, it's the hip hop gangsta's. I know Liberals that are getting their licenses to carry and joining my club, they see what's going on as well. There are no political borders when it comes to protecting yourself and your property. No country in the world besides the USA can claim they have 90 million, or more gun owners that live in peace. They only ones that live in fear Smallbutfine are the ones in NYC and Chicago that are forbidden to carry in those cities, and cities with similar laws.

I think law enforcement in general have no programs in these poverty ridden areas to reach out to the youth, to try to get them to do something productive. They leave it up to the city to open Youth Centers but all that does is give the crack dealers a place to make sales out of the rain. It's a sad story in most of the large cities, East Los Angeles and areas of Detroit have no police protection from the gangs, and gangs aren't going to care about existing gun laws

I thought smallbutfine's post was righteously indignant and condescending. Smallbutfine, sorry if I pissed you off - you're an awesome poster and you bring a ton of info to the board...but surely, we can all have our opinions. Tony, I love you bro, but surely you aren't calling me out for overreacting with a post??? Pot, meet the kettle

Same to you, Martin!


I feel warm inside...