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Post by ragan on Sept 30, 2016 9:45:25 GMT -6
Have to wonder if the subscriptions weren't flying off the shelves like he'd hoped? If it was already a wild success (I'm sure he'd say it was whether it was or not) why knock the price down? I get the gamble on enough new rental tenants to offset the rent and maybe that's it. I think unlike everybody else Slate is trying to find the sweet spot price wise! Think of it everybody is in a battle for your reoccurring yearly or monthly payment plugin dollars, Now for the most part they all look good but they add up $15 was what I paid for 2 Martinis last night so pretty easy , plus Slate has to find the price where I don't think about stopping my plan for a couple of months! Over 10 years slate gets $1700 if I don't stop the lic. The key is about 2 things Find the sweet spot price wise What do I need to deliver to keep it going! Yeah, indeed. That's the thing that kills me about renting software. Like with Avid. Look at what you've spent after 5 or 10 years. That could have been spent on actual gear! BUT, if I were just starting out and liked plugins more, I'm pretty sure I'd be all over the Slate bundle at $15/mo. As it is, I have thousands of dollars of plugs gathering dust (looking at you, UAD....) and already own most of what I'd want to use of Slate's. It would be nice to have a zero latency Rev A 1176 for mocking up vocal sounds before I get into printing my real tones and fire up the Hairball. The UAD incurs too much latency to stick it on as a place holder while I'm still tracking. Still not enough to get me to jump on the rental but as he comes out with more stuff, it may get more appealing. I enjoy Distressors, but I just want the hardware...... I don't think I'm his target customer anymore.
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Post by rob61 on Sept 30, 2016 9:56:06 GMT -6
"Rental" software is the latest ploy of software companies to keep the revenue stream going and investors happy. Its hard to keep people upgrading (and the revenue stream flowing) once the product has matured and offers little improvement in performance/feature enhancements. For the user, over time it will cost you way more than a perpetual license.
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Post by ericn on Sept 30, 2016 10:19:34 GMT -6
I think unlike everybody else Slate is trying to find the sweet spot price wise! Think of it everybody is in a battle for your reoccurring yearly or monthly payment plugin dollars, Now for the most part they all look good but they add up $15 was what I paid for 2 Martinis last night so pretty easy , plus Slate has to find the price where I don't think about stopping my plan for a couple of months! Over 10 years slate gets $1700 if I don't stop the lic. The key is about 2 things Find the sweet spot price wise What do I need to deliver to keep it going! Yeah, indeed. That's the thing that kills me about renting software. Like with Avid. Look at what you've spent after 5 or 10 years. That could have been spent on actual gear! BUT, if I were just starting out and liked plugins more, I'm pretty sure I'd be all over the Slate bundle at $15/mo. As it is, I have thousands of dollars of plugs gathering dust (looking at you, UAD....) and already own most of what I'd want to use of Slate's. It would be nice to have a zero latency Rev A 1176 for mocking up vocal sounds before I get into printing my real tones and fire up the Hairball. The UAD incurs too much latency to stick it on as a place holder while I'm still tracking. Still not enough to get me to jump on the rental but as he comes out with more stuff, it may get more appealing. I enjoy Distressors, but I just want the hardware...... I don't think I'm his target customer anymore. I agree but I have to add at this time! I keep hearing at some point all software will be subscription, scares the crap out of me! Banjo Depot etc got to hate these plans, spend years pushing the line now sell direct for $15 a month ? that might be where Slate has gotten smarter than anybody else; Slate also has interesting hardware and still sells at fixed cost. Now if you want to sell the software & list it all on your dealer site and catalog! Your not going to sell much of the software at fixed price because the subscription bundle is a stupid deal ! You don't have to cut the dealer in because the customer buys the subscription but he still "sells" the product! This is a big part of where the low price comes in, No dealer mark up, no physical distribution expenses no packaging ! Slate keeps getting smarter!
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Post by tasteliketape on Sept 30, 2016 10:49:20 GMT -6
Also alot of home hobbyists might just subscribe a month at a time when working on something . I would think that's a really big market . Jmo
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 30, 2016 10:59:47 GMT -6
When are these available?
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 30, 2016 11:23:36 GMT -6
Slate has only said soon for availability.
If people were perfectly honest I bet we typically all us less than 10 plug ins. This consumerism all becomes nonsense after a while.
Personally, I think subscriptions are really for peeps who aren't thinking this through but will eventually.
Over the last while, I often think about selling an awful lot of plug stuff and just rebuying what I actually use: often
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Post by ericn on Sept 30, 2016 11:48:58 GMT -6
Also alot of home hobbyists might just subscribe a month at a time when working on something . I would think that's a really big market . Jmo Very big segment the key is to hit the price where it's not worth the trouble to stop start and give them everything you need! I'll bet you start seeing a bunch of videos talking about tracking with plugins and not printing, that way you need those plugs every time you open that session.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 30, 2016 16:49:12 GMT -6
What Slate isn't telling you is that relab480 is gone to all new customers, and the $24.99 plan only allows you to start and stop. the $14.99 doesn't support monthly start and stop and there is no added benefit to paying the 14.99 a month versus in full, same cost. That means all CLA course subscribers have to stay at $24.99 in order to keep relab viable in the session and keep their session open ( Ableton live is the worst about this). This also means Slate will have to redo the CLA course with his new reverb plug. When Slate creates his amp sim what will have to Scuffham S gear? And FGX 2 has been coming soon for how long? UAD needs a pricing wake up too, who in their right mind says " wow $25 off coupon let me rush online to spend $300+ " not me Xmas sales are 2 months away
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 30, 2016 16:52:44 GMT -6
Double the track and mix compressed with uncompressed. BTW to my ear most parallel compression calls for phase trouble that's why I don't use it. Then your ears are better than mine.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 30, 2016 16:55:21 GMT -6
I read that you can start and stop the new monthly plan ?
I think you point out the achilles tendon of all these software based subscription deals: what do you really have: nothing !
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Post by ragan on Sept 30, 2016 17:27:39 GMT -6
I read that you can start and stop the new monthly plan ? I think you point out the achilles tendon of all these software based subscription deals: what do you really have: nothing ! I think you only get the $15/mo if you commit to a year.
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Post by ragan on Sept 30, 2016 17:30:25 GMT -6
UAD needs a pricing wake up too, who in their right mind says " wow $25 off coupon let me rush online to spend $300+ " not me Xmas sales are 2 months away Totally. They constantly throw coupons at me and they all just expire. I don't know when I last bought a UAD plug. Actually, I did buy the SHMC and 1073 last Christmas for like $22 total or something. I had some accumulated coupons. Haven't used either on an actual track yet.
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 30, 2016 17:32:42 GMT -6
Double the track and mix compressed with uncompressed. BTW to my ear most parallel compression calls for phase trouble that's why I don't use it. Then your ears are better than mine. Sorry I doubt that...
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 30, 2016 17:37:50 GMT -6
ragan i read it on the fb page but there is a lot of noise there, so best to let the dust settle, the new slate site is buggy too so I am not certain what is real there
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Post by ragan on Sept 30, 2016 18:00:33 GMT -6
ragan i read it on the fb page but there is a lot of noise there, so best to let the dust settle, the new slate site is buggy too so I am not certain what is real there Hell, I'm never certain what's real in Slate land
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 30, 2016 18:07:52 GMT -6
Only the slate on the countertop: don't you know ! You goin to help Sylvia Massey build her new studio in Oregon ?
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Post by ericn on Sept 30, 2016 18:08:28 GMT -6
Not sure about stop / start on the $15 plan but yeah no relab in $15 plan, but the new dynamic convolution reverb has 480 impulses so I'm not sure, but the thought of relab 480 for $15.00 was going to seal the deal for me now don't know , it's still a bargain.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 30, 2016 18:23:07 GMT -6
Slate said they will post clips soon so that could help ?
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