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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 19:35:56 GMT -6
If anybody's headed to AES and would like to say hello, just drop a line here. For me, this show is all about catching up with old friends and making new ones. Safe travels to all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 9:32:37 GMT -6
AES is finally done for this year. By the last day, everyone was beginning to smell a little and you can hear feet and backs screaming in pain. But the best part of the day was getting to spend some time with Bob Olhsson. One of the real gentlemen of the industry. Bob, it was a pleasure!
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Oct 5, 2016 10:47:47 GMT -6
Post by markfouxman on Oct 5, 2016 10:47:47 GMT -6
Hey Michael,
It was so nice to see you at AES. Glad your new plugin is out!
Best, M
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 5, 2016 17:43:19 GMT -6
We watched George Massenburg talk about Earth Wind and Fire. I wanted to introduce Michael to George but between the mob and an old friend from rec.audio.pro dominating the conversation it was impossible to get a word in edgewise. I did a panel and a solo interview and was reminded once again how little any sort of "stardom" appeals to me.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:35:55 GMT -6
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Post by channelcat on Oct 5, 2016 18:35:55 GMT -6
We watched George Massenburg talk about Earth Wind and Fire. I wanted to introduce Michael to George but between the mob and an old friend from rec.audio.pro dominating the conversation it was impossible to get a word in edgewise. I did a panel and a solo interview and was reminded once again how little any sort of "stardom" appeals to me. Bob O - I sing your praises whenever possible! Hope that's OK. Stu
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 5, 2016 18:47:46 GMT -6
Much better to just hang out with you folks!
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Oct 10, 2016 21:22:54 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Oct 10, 2016 21:22:54 GMT -6
We watched George Massenburg talk about Earth Wind and Fire. I wanted to introduce Michael to George but between the mob and an old friend from rec.audio.pro dominating the conversation it was impossible to get a word in edgewise. I did a panel and a solo interview and was reminded once again how little any sort of "stardom" appeals to me. Bob you are a whole different type of rock star ! it's always funny when somebody starts telling some Story from the Motown days, and I start shaking my head I always get the "What you were not even alive what do you know " My response " your right , but Bob was there and that's not how he tells it and I know that mind is as sharp as ever"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 15:35:14 GMT -6
We watched George Massenburg talk about Earth Wind and Fire. I wanted to introduce Michael to George but between the mob and an old friend from rec.audio.pro dominating the conversation it was impossible to get a word in edgewise. I did a panel and a solo interview and was reminded once again how little any sort of "stardom" appeals to me. I've actually talked with George a few times, so you needn't feel bad about the crowd edging me out. In his session, the thing that he said that was perhaps most important was (to paraphrase) "embrace the clams". Real humans always have some sort of imperfection in every take. That's what makes it a real performance. Obviously you can't let a total stinker get by, but trying to correct every last thing will sap the life right out of anything. And sometimes that 'problem' may actually bring a creative opportunity. I often work with symphony-class musicians. Just like any current-day rock player, they know you can make invisible edits and corrections that no one could dream of a generation ago. Sometimes I've got to push back against that extra take or an edit that fixes just one note. There's a time to stop bothering a good performance and to simply enjoy it for the music it is. I don't know if everyone listening to George really took that wisdom to heart. But it really was the lesson of the hour.
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Oct 12, 2016 15:40:16 GMT -6
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 12, 2016 15:40:16 GMT -6
Many of the most creative things done in 4 track recordings were actually covering up clams.
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Post by ericn on Oct 12, 2016 15:57:19 GMT -6
We watched George Massenburg talk about Earth Wind and Fire. I wanted to introduce Michael to George but between the mob and an old friend from rec.audio.pro dominating the conversation it was impossible to get a word in edgewise. I did a panel and a solo interview and was reminded once again how little any sort of "stardom" appeals to me. I've actually talked with George a few times, so you needn't feel bad about the crowd edging me out. In his session, the thing that he said that was perhaps most important was (to paraphrase) "embrace the clams". Real humans always have some sort of imperfection in every take. That's what makes it a real performance. Obviously you can't let a total stinker get by, but trying to correct every last thing will sap the life right out of anything. And sometimes that 'problem' may actually bring a creative opportunity. I often work with symphony-class musicians. Just like any current-day rock player, they know you can make invisible edits and corrections that no one could dream of a generation ago. Sometimes I've got to push back against that extra take or an edit that fixes just one note. There's a time to stop bothering a good performance and to simply enjoy it for the music it is. I don't know if everyone listening to George really took that wisdom to heart. But it really was the lesson of the hour. This is where we have to keep the "art" in recording knowing when the mistake is better than perfection!
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Oct 12, 2016 17:29:51 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Oct 12, 2016 17:29:51 GMT -6
we also have to realise that the "clam" of most of the players we are talking about.. are better than me on my good days... LOL
that's humour on my part, but there is some truth in that...
cheers
Wiz
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Oct 12, 2016 20:00:41 GMT -6
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 12, 2016 20:00:41 GMT -6
Clams could be pretty massive. Remember these were ensembles and you needed to take the best feeling take over the mediocre one with no clams.
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Oct 12, 2016 21:02:54 GMT -6
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Post by donr on Oct 12, 2016 21:02:54 GMT -6
Many of the most creative things done in 4 track recordings were actually covering up clams. Yes, that was necessary in the day! David Lucas, (NY jingle writer/producer who co-produced/played the cowbell on "Don't Fear The Reaper,") used to joke about standing in front of Sam Goody (famous NYC record store) and playing a loud tambourine to cover a clam on a recording any customers had just bought, as the last opportunity to fix/cover it up.
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Oct 12, 2016 21:15:32 GMT -6
Post by donr on Oct 12, 2016 21:15:32 GMT -6
Personally, I love clams. Not if they sabotage a take, of course, but a little hitch in a compelling recording makes my ear perk up and enhances my enjoyment of the performance. Same with tuning. Some rub within the instruments and vocals I find euphonic, and again, draws my attention into the recording.
The guitar clam in the third round of the middle 8 in the Beatles' "Twist and Shout" is as much part of my loving the cut as the rest. I want to hear it, every time I play the song.
The same with the slightly flat E string of the bass guitar on the 5 Du-Tones' recording of "Shake A Tail Feather." As attractive as the rest of the performance is, it wasn't until years after its release I realized that slight out of tune tonic bass note made the beginning of every chorus cosmically compelling to my pre-teen ears.
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Oct 12, 2016 21:16:19 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 12, 2016 21:16:19 GMT -6
Many of the most creative things done in 4 track recordings were actually covering up clams. Yes, that was necessary in the day! David Lucas, (NY jingle writer/producer who co-produced/played the cowbell on "Don't Fear The Reaper,") used to joke about standing in front of Sam Goody (famous NYC record store) and playing a loud tambourine to cover a clam on a recording any customers had just bought, as the last opportunity to fix/cover it up. AKA Will Ferrell.
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Oct 13, 2016 8:33:09 GMT -6
Post by henge on Oct 13, 2016 8:33:09 GMT -6
Man I love the clam and mistake. So many times the mistake has ended up being a way cooler idea! In fact I'm going to open a bar called the Mistaken Clam.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 13, 2016 9:01:45 GMT -6
Speaking of the clam, I love this one. At :30 when the drums come in, he hits the first beat on the hi hat before realizing it should be ride, then switches over. At least that's how I interpret it. Love it. I always played it like this with my cover bands.
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