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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 12, 2016 17:47:26 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 12, 2016 19:06:21 GMT -6
there are two other links, one for other bricasti IRs and one for lex 480l, everything downloads and installs in the same two folders and works in space designer the samplecity link lets you pick by different sample rates I went with 44.1  |
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Post by M57 on Sept 12, 2016 19:10:49 GMT -6
As easy as it seemed to you I do not understand the install instructions. I can get to..
Library/Application Support/Logic ..but there's no /Plug-In Settings/
It says to go the samplicity site and download the IRs, but aren't those the files that are linked below that? E.g., Samplicity M7 Main – 06 – Wave, 24 bit, 48 Khz, v1.1
Samplicity M7 Main – 05 – Wave, 24 bit, 44.1 Khz, v1.1, etc?
I don't know what the "root" of my HDD is.. Do I need to create and impulse response folder there, and put the above E.g. folders in that? Damn.. I'm stupid.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 12, 2016 19:35:35 GMT -6
Devils in the deets: all the .aif files go into the impulse response folder: library/audio/impulse response all the .pst files go into the logic space designer folder: library/application support/logic/ plug in settings/ space designer here are two screenshots showing the folder paths in my computer:   |
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Post by M57 on Sept 12, 2016 19:48:27 GMT -6
...but there's no plugin settings folder in the logic folder. I must be in the wrong directory.. Getting too late, will have to come back to this tomorrow night.
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Post by guitfiddler on Sept 12, 2016 22:30:23 GMT -6
I have these IR's and had them working in Logic, however does anyone know how to install them in Open Air for Studio One 3?
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 13, 2016 4:58:16 GMT -6
Here is some further instruction form the guy who started the thread. With macs about 2 os's ago they introduced a second library function or actually it got hidden but I haven't done anything to my file folders so if your are on a mac with el capitain they should mirror mine or be very similar ?
If you explore the links referenced in the first post, one of the sites had other convolution engines but I am not certain what daws they function in.
"To give further direction: (logic set up )
-Download and place the .wav files from samplicity.com into HD/Audio/Impulse Responses.
-Download the SDIRs and place them into the same IR folder in Audio.
-Download the .pst files and place them here: [User]/Music/Audio Music Apps/Plugin Settings/Space Designer folder
Note this last directory mirrors that which appears in Logic's factory directory in the Main Library, but I prefer using the user directory as to not mix & match, with the potential for accidenal overwrites with updates of the Sound Library. Make sure you use Super Duper too to ensure you always have the proper back ups (or the included Time Machine which I personally find intolerable, etc.)
It's not complicated when users learn the Logic file & directory settings -- and how to create your own patches/channel strips (you can also create such patches and or .cst files, but I'll leave off with the .pst files.) Check out Kcatthegod's pciture and see how they appear within the GUI.
Lastly, place with the built in feature set SD offers too. It's not as pretty as Altiverb, but in some ways it is actually more flexible. Use the EQ. Change the IRs Direction. Use the filters and Resonance. Change the IR Length and/or Sample Rate. Some of these levers are more handy with Synthesized IRs, and you also have an additional Density parameter to play with in such cases, but I always tweak the AMP envelope at the very least."
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 13, 2016 5:01:02 GMT -6
Here is that info about other convolution plug ins:
What do you need to apply impulse responses?
If you want to use IRs in your digital mixer or software sampler, you need a convolution reverb plugin, that can interface with the plugin protocol of your environment (for instance VST, TDM or RTAS). The most commonly used convolvers are:
Altiverb from AudioEase (both Mac and PC)
LiquidSonics Reverberate
Pristine Space, from Voxengo (PC-only)
Steinberg REVerence (Cubase 5), which can read our new Quad files
Space Designer, from Apple for Logic (Mac-only)
Vienna Suite Convolver, which can read our new Quad files
IR-1 from Waves (both Mac and PC)
TL Space, from DigiDesign (for ProTools)
SIR2, from Knufinke (Mac and PC) |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 13, 2016 5:18:53 GMT -6
If you're in finder, press the go menu, hold option, another hidden library will appear. Perhaps that's the one you need.
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Post by M57 on Sept 13, 2016 6:19:59 GMT -6
Yeah - that's the one - I want to get it into the main column on the left and I remember doing once - then it disappeared.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 13, 2016 21:28:39 GMT -6
I discovered that the Files called Bricasti M7 that end in “Quad” don’t work. If I click on them in Space Designer, it sends me to a page I can’t close, and I have to use Force Quit to get out of it. I removed the Bricasti M7 files that said Quad. I now have the Simplicity M7 Main in 44.1 and 48K. Those are the Bricasti files, correct? One thing, on all the M7 verbs, when I go to instantiate one of them, I get to this page (below), and I see 3 choices, M-to-S, Plate L, Plate R. I don’t understand why there are those choices, and why there’s an L and an R. Do people use different reverbs for a left channel and a right channel? I guess I should use M-to-S, I assume that means Mid-Side. Why do I want Mid-Side there, don’t I just want a plain ol’ reverb? Is this what a Bricasti does? Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 22:32:19 GMT -6
Hi Martin,
i quickly explain the difference between the formats, why they are used and why there are "quad" files at all to produce a stereo signal in a convo reverb.
A convolution reverb is the only type of reverb nowadays, that is NOT true stereo by default.
As has been mentioned, the convolution reverb can take a mono signal and produces stereo information from it. So, if you already have a mono signal or stereo signal panned to the middle, you can use a R/L wave file format or M-to-S format of impulse responses and everything is fine.
But nowadays you want "true stereo" also for convolution reverbs. So the quad files normally are 4 channel wave files. The stereo signal is NOT summed in a convolution reverb that can process in true stereo, the left channel is processed and needs R/L IRs for the output stereo information and the right channel (mono) signal is also processed with a stereo IR. Resulting in the need of 4 channels to get a "true stereo". Convolution reverbs are the only type of reverbs nowadays, where you really have to think about what you feed in and what kind of stereo you get out. And it really makes a clearly hearable difference, with the true stereo/quad wave file option sounding much better in many cases.
i am not into logic, so sorry, i can not help, but i want at least mention that Space Designer was very early capable of true stereo reverb and the SDIR format is a quad wave interleave format for Space Designer...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 13, 2016 22:43:53 GMT -6
Thanks smallbutfine, that's a big help. There's more I need to know I guess before getting it all to work properly in Logic, but at least I have some idea what's going on.
Right now it's working fine, except for the "Quad" files. I do want a true stereo reverb, so I'll have to keep asking around until I figure out what I need to do.
* got it working, changed location of the Quad files.
Why would anyone use the mono reverbs?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 2:20:47 GMT -6
And btw, the samplicity IRs sound excellent. It lacks a bit of the bells and whistles from what i heard in shootouts hardware vs. IR, but it still gives excellent results and the general character of the IR verbs is close enough to really make it a serious tool in your reverb arsenal. I often prefer it to even good algorithmic reverb software.
But IMHO the price point of the Bricasti is pretty hefty. At least the developer is ok with IRs.
Henry Oolonga even wanted to make a Nebula library from it (and Nebula reverbs can sound awesome). And got permission to do so! But unfortunately he seems to have given up on this project due to technical problems that seemed not resolvable due to the way the Bricasti and Nebula work...(grrr)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 2:25:22 GMT -6
Why would anyone use the mono reverbs? Oh, convolution reverbs are not light on the CPU and memory. So for mono instrument channel strip insert it can totally make sense to tame them down to the mono "not true stereo" version with half of ressources needed without compromising quality. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 2:30:45 GMT -6
(When the computing power was more of a problem in the past, also many software algorithmic reverbs "cheated" with summing to mono to save ressources...times have changed and computing power is much cheaper nowadays.)
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 14, 2016 5:11:13 GMT -6
@sbf interesting background thanks !
@martin where did you move your quad files to ?
I listened to about 50 or so of the presets the other night on a drum loop and simply put I thought they sounded very natural and not overblown as some reverbs do ? |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 14, 2016 8:33:04 GMT -6
Here's a screenshot of where my Quad files landed. They're working now, but I haven't had a chance to compare the sound quality to my Relab and EMT-140 yet. The free 480L is good, just a little flatter than the Relab because the Relab has the high res feature. It's been almost four years since I tried the UAD 480L vs. The Relab, but the 480 link seems to sound just as good as the UAD plugin did, if memory serves. Attachments:
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 14, 2016 11:58:46 GMT -6
I popped the Bricasti Quad IR's into a track, and did a quick and dirty mix. I scrolled through some settings and chose Vocal Plate. I had my usual Relab XL480 set to Medium Room HD, and compared.
It would of course be a better comparison if I used the Bricasti Medium Room, so I did try that, and found the Relab generally darker, as the XL480 is I guess compared to a Bricasti.
So, I stayed with the Bricasti Vocal Plate because I just wanted to hear the Bricasti IR's I thought were the better sound for the track. I posted both Solo and with track for context.
I used a little more verb than I normally would just for this demo.
soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/relab-hd-test-solo
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/bricasti-quad-test-solo
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/relab-hd-test
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/bricasti-quad-test
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