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Post by chasmanian on Sept 6, 2016 10:09:57 GMT -6
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Post by winetree on Sept 6, 2016 11:11:35 GMT -6
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Post by chasmanian on Sept 6, 2016 14:20:36 GMT -6
thank you for your reply.
I thought when I first read it, that you bought 15 of the pop filters that cost big bucks.
lol
I read that MIchael Wagener used the Hakan. thats what got me interested. he said that they are transparent.......don't change the sound at all.
its not a happy thought for me to think of spending that much on a pop filter.
just wondered.
thanks again for replying winetree. you rock!!!
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Post by drbill on Sept 6, 2016 14:27:58 GMT -6
I just use the old fashioned ones. Never really gave it a second thought. Simple, cheap, work great 90% of the time. The other 10% I have a talk with the singer....
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Post by jdc on Sept 6, 2016 14:31:03 GMT -6
but what about when the singers won't talk back to us?  |
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Post by tasteliketape on Sept 6, 2016 14:37:57 GMT -6
but what about when the singers won't talk back to us? Thought that was a good thing lol |
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Post by drbill on Sept 6, 2016 15:01:30 GMT -6
but what about when the singers won't talk back to us? Get a new singer.  |
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Post by chasmanian on Sept 6, 2016 15:30:47 GMT -6
I just use the old fashioned ones. Never really gave it a second thought. Simple, cheap, work great 90% of the time. The other 10% I have a talk with the singer.... thank you to all who replied. drbill, thank you very much. you just saved me $100. |
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Post by svart on Sept 7, 2016 7:11:23 GMT -6
I have a metal screen one, not really like the one in the link though. Don't get the singer too close or you'll get a woosh type noise as the air rushes through the screen.
Other than that, I have a regular old "panythose" material pop filter and they work fine. I buy them for cheap and switch them out fairly often to wash them.
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Post by popaudio on Sept 7, 2016 14:46:22 GMT -6
Hi Chasmanian, My name's John and I'm one of the two guys who run Pop Audio. We're both sound engineers and wanted to make the best pop filter possible so went about improving all aspects of the traditional design including the arm, clamp and even the filter materials. We were both a bit irritated by the lack of innovation in pop filters and the rather random pricing from a couple of dollars to hundreds for essentially the same thing so we went for a completely new approach. We're currently working on distribution in the US for now it's only available through our webstore for North America. Check out a couple of reviews below if you're interested or feel free to ask me anything! www.audiomediainternational.com/recording/review-pop-audio-pop-filter/05761www.soundonsound.com/reviews/pop-audio-pop-filter-studio-editionCheers John @ Pop Audio |
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Post by chasmanian on Sept 7, 2016 16:41:25 GMT -6
thank you John.
random thoughts in no particular order:
- I love your idea
- I love the idea of transparent.....does not affect the sound
- the ball and socket arm is very clever. I think it is positively awesome
- good luck. positioning a pop filter to get in the right place and then actually stay there, is a pain in the derriere. I hope you sell a billion (ummm, not sure if a billion in your country is the same as here........ok I hope you sell many many many many billions of these.
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Post by popaudio on Sept 8, 2016 2:23:16 GMT -6
thank you John. random thoughts in no particular order: - I love your idea - I love the idea of transparent.....does not affect the sound - the ball and socket arm is very clever. I think it is positively awesome - good luck. positioning a pop filter to get in the right place and then actually stay there, is a pain in the derriere. I hope you sell a billion (ummm, not sure if a billion in your country is the same as here........ok I hope you sell many many many many billions of these. Thanks very much! The positioning trouble was always the thing that bugged us most so that was our priority. We always thought, why spend hundreds/thousands on a lovely mic then put a $5 irritant in the way that falls over and gets in the way of a smooth recording experience. Really appreciate your kind words  John @ Pop Audio |
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Post by Ward on Sept 8, 2016 7:03:05 GMT -6
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 8, 2016 11:20:37 GMT -6
vintageking.com/stedman-proscreen-xl-pop-filter?gclid=CI2QjMyjgM8CFY4bgQodcxEJEwMe and Ward think a like honestly that is the best pop filter I've ever used and it's way cheaper than the other one for 100 Haha miy link is cheaper than ward's lol. Also, The one I posted has the rubber insulation around the metal diameter, the non insulated is sharp and can cut you. One more thing, the link I posted is for the XL pro screen 6" diameter
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Post by Ward on Sept 8, 2016 12:36:00 GMT -6
ChaseUTB is the oneupmanship champion today!! LOL
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Post by drbill on Sept 8, 2016 14:01:54 GMT -6
I've always found it interesting that some singers can work just fine without a pop filter. Maybe they only sing songs without P's or B's?
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Post by yotonic on Sept 9, 2016 0:49:50 GMT -6
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Post by mcirish on Sept 9, 2016 9:39:59 GMT -6
I bought a couple of the Stedman pop filters but ended up not liking them. If the singer works close to the mic, you'll get an added sibilance from the wind noise they make. Then I bought the hideously expensive Pauly pop filter. It doesn't do a very good job with plosives. I still use it and have it mounted on my main vocal mic stand but surprisingly, the one that works best for me and is cheap is the Shure PS6 Popper Stopper. I always kept trying to find the one that is the most invisible to the vocalists sound. The Stedman (in my case) was dead last.
The pop audio filter seems interesting. Might have to look into that.
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Post by donr on Sept 9, 2016 10:43:17 GMT -6
I've always found it interesting that some singers can work just fine without a pop filter. Maybe they only sing songs without P's or B's? I was taught to aim P's and B's wide of the mic, when you could remember to do it. |
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Post by drbill on Sept 9, 2016 10:48:23 GMT -6
I've always found it interesting that some singers can work just fine without a pop filter. Maybe they only sing songs without P's or B's? I was taught to aim P's and B's wide of the mic, when you could remember to do it. Yup. It's funny how now a pop filter is part of the "studio essentials" pack, when back in the day it was just a tool to use for when vocalists who didn't know how to sing in the studio showed up....  |
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Post by joseph on Sept 9, 2016 10:55:02 GMT -6
I was taught to aim P's and B's wide of the mic, when you could remember to do it. Yup. It's funny how now a pop filter is part of the "studio essentials" pack, when back in the day it was just a tool to use for when vocalists who didn't know how to sing in the studio showed up.... Totally agree, I avoid them where possible. Personally I think they're awkward for singers anyway, so if they're not trained I use positioning and spectral analyzer to remove the stray pop, and you have a few takes. Why color the majority of the sound just because of one bad pop in one take? Generally that does the trick, never really had a problem with this method. I'll only use them if a singer really needs to eat the mic, but I don't particularly like that sound. Nor do I like the sound of a metal pop filter. These days, people even use them on mics that have built in pop shields. Also, as a singer I find it pretty hard to pop a U67 or 87. Still curious as to how the Hakan fares, however. |
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Post by winetree on Sept 9, 2016 12:31:56 GMT -6
Don't like using them either. I can always draw out the pop with the pencil tool.
Mainly use them to protect the microphone diagram from spit and hot air.
Stand back and use correct mic technique is always the best method.
Love my 67s and 87s.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 9, 2016 13:04:42 GMT -6
After some experimentation I've concluded that I don't like pop filters and that they're pretty useless unles a singer has really poor technique, in which case they may be the lesser evil.
I generally tend to deal with pops with mic placement, positioning the mic above the plane of the mouth but angled down so it's aiming in the direction of the lips. Since pops tend to be much more directional than the vocal sound the pops goes under the mic and the vocal is unimpaired.
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Post by donr on Sept 9, 2016 13:30:50 GMT -6
Also, the only mic I ever get right up on is a dynamic in live performance, for max vocal to stage leakage ratio. I don't like to mic a speaker cab right on the grill either.
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Post by chasmanian on Sept 9, 2016 15:16:49 GMT -6
NB: I'm an amateur. I'm no expert.
that said, I will gladly tell you a couple of my thoughts. they are based on my experience.
ymmv, as usual.
- I tried singing without a pop filter, after reading a post here by a man who is a brilliant professional and expert whom I admire very much and who's thoughts I greatly value............said that pop filters always change the sound.
I had tons of pops.
-so, I kept using the pop filter.
my filter is nothing fancy. I bought it at guitar center many years ago. 1 layer. probably cost $20 or less. I also have a little fancier one that has 2 layers. I have not used it in years.
-my microphone technique has long been to avert my mouth (if you will), when ever I think I will be making a plosive or sound that I think will cause a pop.
I do not find this technique particularly difficult. this said, after years and thousands of hours working at it. it now comes fairly easy, and I don't get a lot of pops.
it takes paying attention.
as for changing the sound......about that, my own personal experience, is that I don't really know for sure. I find it difficult to not make pops, without a filter......therefore I always use a filter.
when I tried without a filter, I think it may have sounded a little clearer. but I'm just not sure. I think it would be very difficult for me to really make a true assessment.
all of this said, I would love to try both of the filters in my original post.
I am especially also very attracted to the Pop Audio ball and socket arm.
I do wonder how the cloth filter differs soundwise from the foam filter.
also, how much shipping would be to the US, if they do not get a US distributor soon.
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