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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 10, 2016 14:11:58 GMT -6
Have we hit a new low?
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 10, 2016 14:37:34 GMT -6
Am I the only one it sounds awful to me....
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Post by M57 on Aug 10, 2016 17:23:26 GMT -6
I've been seeing adds for this and have rightfully dismissed it out of hand. Your post kind of goaded me into watching the video. It didn't take long before I heard..
"It's very comfortable for the artist"
All I could think was.. Yeah, all but encouraging them to sing out of tune. ..comfortably, of course.
I dunno - I guess it works for poor singers - the singer gets a return of the part perfectly (and robotically) in tune, and I suppose it's possible that they would naturally try to match that pitch. Then again, forget any subtle inflections like grace notes, bends, blues notes, and jazz phrasing in general.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 10, 2016 17:25:05 GMT -6
I've been seeing adds for this and have rightfully dismissed it out of hand. Your post kind of goaded me into watching the video. It didn't take long before I heard.. "It's very comfortable for the artist" All I could think was.. Yeah, all but encouraging them to sing out of tune. ..comfortably, of course. I dunno - I guess it works for poor singers - the singer gets a return of the part perfectly (and robotically) in tune, and I suppose it's possible that they would naturally try to match that pitch. Then again, forget any subtle inflections like grace notes, bends, blues notes, and jazz phrasing in general. Not to self, buy this...then watch the video. ...awful singer here... |
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Post by kilroyrock on Aug 11, 2016 7:31:06 GMT -6
So could you use this plugin the same way you can put autotune - on a line to smooth out a group of harmonies? Cause I can't do that with Waves Tune. In fact, after trying to find this out myself, I've been using waves tune wrong for years anyway.
If I can put it on a background harmony that will subtly smooth a 4 second 4 part harmony without having to draw all the lines on everything like I do with waves tune, it has its benefits.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 11, 2016 7:57:29 GMT -6
This was inevitable. Listeners won't care if a performance is natural or not. Eventually, natural will be considered bad sounding. It's a mess.
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Post by kilroyrock on Aug 11, 2016 8:13:25 GMT -6
This was inevitable. Listeners won't care if a performance is natural or not. Eventually, natural will be considered bad sounding. It's a mess. No one has wanted natural sounding for years (top 40). The top 10 songs in the country as of right now (just looked), #10 is probably the only one that has a live instrument, and live natural voice. And that's Adele. 1-9? Don't kid yourself. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 11, 2016 19:43:27 GMT -6
Funny, singers that move me from the 40's, 50's and 60's, Sinatra, Hank Williams, Nat King Cole, Little Richard, Elvis, Dion, Sam Cooke, created timeless works through their talent and incredible hard work. I can't think of anyone currently whose vocal seems comparable. Maybe, Lyle Lovett, Allison Krauss, and there ain't no auto-tune happening there either.
Adele gets an honorable mention, but I don't know if she auto-tunes or not. Robert Plant's done some damn fine singing lately too. So, it can be done, but is the will there anymore..
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 11, 2016 21:02:40 GMT -6
Name a few bad singers but it still touches you?
Dylan, Waits after he ruined his voice with alchol, Rory Gallagher....and many others... Hendrix... SRV.
I put myself in that row of awful vocalists, but I made one experience, if you feel what you sing it touches the listener even if your singing is not so great.
Since then there is peace between me and a bit off key singing...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 11, 2016 22:00:57 GMT -6
The best singer is the one you believe the most. That's what I think.
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Post by kilroyrock on Aug 12, 2016 6:07:52 GMT -6
I just like part harmonies to not have that wavy out of tune thing going for it, so it doesn't distract from the main vocal. I also only get 2-3 hour time blocks to record things once every couple weeks sometimes (until the fall), so the less time I have to take to get the take, the better.
But I've found harmonies are much easier to stack with better preamps and microphones...
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 12, 2016 10:33:51 GMT -6
The Grand Ol' Opry runs real time out-0-tuna on everything. An hour or so later the very same old singers who were way off even with the out-0-tuna are right on the money at the Midnight Jamboree with it's '70s PA system that has no floor boxes.
That was a huge wake-up call for me about drowning music in technology. Screw up a singer's hearing with stage monitors treated for anti-feedback or headphones and then "fix" it with a 'lectronic tuna. The utter stupidity found in modern recording and live sound absolutely floors me. And people wonder why nobody's buying any records...
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 12, 2016 10:36:26 GMT -6
This was inevitable. Listeners won't care if a performance is natural or not. Eventually, natural will be considered bad sounding. It's a mess. No one has wanted natural sounding for years (top 40). The top 10 songs in the country as of right now (just looked), #10 is probably the only one that has a live instrument, and live natural voice. And that's Adele. 1-9? Don't kid yourself. Nobody wants to buy them either! |
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Post by kilroyrock on Aug 12, 2016 10:41:03 GMT -6
No one has wanted natural sounding for years (top 40). The top 10 songs in the country as of right now (just looked), #10 is probably the only one that has a live instrument, and live natural voice. And that's Adele. 1-9? Don't kid yourself. Nobody wants to buy them either! That's right! It's like making a food item for the initial taste, vs the overall flavor.. Which one will you be remaking more often? |
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Post by wiz on Aug 12, 2016 15:58:14 GMT -6
"musiclike" substance
8)
cheers
Wiz
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