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Post by rocinante on Aug 11, 2016 8:58:06 GMT -6
Is there a possibility of having a 2 channel adda with a clock that can be used as an external clock for other adda converters? I already have the channel count but would love a hi end stereo adda that I could mix down to as well as track with and for monitoring. The clock would tie it all in.
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Post by svart on Aug 11, 2016 9:06:21 GMT -6
Are we discussing the possibility of a Svart 2192 with a bad ass clock? Please say yes The "Svartbox" has a clock that is top of it's class already, and does 24/192 already.. Are you asking for transformers? I'd argue that the "Svartbox" clock source specs out much better than any of the Microclock units, and better than a handful of professional offerings. The only thing it doesn't offer is a WC output.
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Post by svart on Aug 11, 2016 9:10:28 GMT -6
Is there a possibility of having a 2 channel adda with a clock that can be used as an external clock for other adda converters? I already have the channel count but would love a hi end stereo adda that I could mix down to as well as track with and for monitoring. The clock would tie it all in. The "Svartbox" can clock your interface through SPDIF, and therefor clock other DA converters from your interface, but there isn't much you can do for the AD converters. However, the "Svartbox" has it's own clock, and since your AD/DA converters can clock themselves, there is no reason you can't use the SB to mixdown and monitor with.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Aug 11, 2016 10:30:21 GMT -6
Is there a possibility of having a 2 channel adda with a clock that can be used as an external clock for other adda converters? I already have the channel count but would love a hi end stereo adda that I could mix down to as well as track with and for monitoring. The clock would tie it all in. The "Svartbox" can clock your interface through SPDIF, and therefor clock other DA converters from your interface, but there isn't much you can do for the AD converters. However, the "Svartbox" has it's own clock, and since your AD/DA converters can clock themselves, there is no reason you can't use the SB to mixdown and monitor with. I think these questions from folks on here really demonstrate how little people know or understand when it comes to audio interfaces. So, be sure to consider that when trying to sell this clock. you've got a bunch of pro-sumer folks here already who knew about the svartbox but didn't understand that it's already doing what they're asking about. Maybe you should just add WC to the svartbox and market that version a lot?
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Post by rocinante on Aug 11, 2016 11:30:16 GMT -6
Wow Chuck that's adorable. I meant a two channel box. Thats all. I dont need eight channel but would love a two channel hi end box. You are right i don't know a ton about clocks but it was unnecessary to go the distance you did. At sny rate Im sorry it hurts that much. God knows if i woke up in your skin i would... I'll definitely keep off your guys discussion.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 11, 2016 12:50:00 GMT -6
Wow Chuck that's adorable. I meant a two channel box. Thats all. I dont need eight channel but would love a two channel hi end box. You are right i don't know a ton about clocks but it was unnecessary to go the distance you did. At sny rate Im sorry it hurts that much. God knows if i woke up in your skin i would... I'll definitely keep off your guys discussion. Chuck is young and knows everything. It gets old.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 12:59:15 GMT -6
OK, i think the question that came up can still be answered, it might clear up for some, if svart's converter already does what people might want to have.
The clock of the "svartbox" is in the spdif signal. (Which is not a bad way to distribute clock at all, btw...) The AD in this box sees *only* the internal hq clock, which makes absolutely sense and is most probably the easiest setup possible. This SPDIF signal has to be clock master, because the AD can not "see" anything from other devices. The interface you are using, most likely your soundcard device that is seen by your computer, gets the signal, and since it can not send anything to the AD, it has to be configured as clock slave and sync to it. From there, everything else has to be configured as clock slave. And also the DA in the svartbox is intended to get it's clock over the SPDIF signal that is coming in. AD and DA in the "svartbox" essentially are independent devices that share the case and power supply. They operate each on it's own, with the DA always clocked to the incoming SPDIF, not directly by the clock of the AD. Although, in most setups, the clock, that clocks the AD, goes down SPDIF, clocks the interface/soundcard, goes thru the SPDIF out back to the "svartbox" and clocks the DA. AD is clock master, everything else from there has to be slaved to it. No matter if SPDIF/AES, ADAT or whatever. External clock may be of interest if you already have ADs you want to use in sync (more than one), mostly if you have need for lots of channels. And probably, sometimes, mediocre AD devices with fairly mediocre clock MAY profit from an external clocking that is of better quality. And i would not count on that. Has to be found out practically in real life if it does better or worse.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Aug 11, 2016 15:26:37 GMT -6
All i was saying was that several folks asked if svart was going to make a clock/converter that does what the svartbox already does. It's not like the svartbox thread is short or small. it's one of the most commented threads here. Nothing i said should have been perceived as intending to offend.
I was going for "uh, he already made what you guys are asking for. go read the svartbox thread" with my responses.
Chalk this one up to people adding inflections and tones that aren't there when they read a reply smh
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Post by M57 on Aug 11, 2016 15:55:16 GMT -6
I didn't take it the wrong way. I count myself as one of those potential (though maybe I shouldn't be) but confused buyers of a product like this. It could very well be something that would make me very happy and feel like I made a wise investment, but honestly I still don't understand at what point (i.e, in concert with what other equipment) a higher quality clock makes a reasonable difference - if at all. NFC makes a valid point.
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Post by chasmanian on Aug 11, 2016 18:03:27 GMT -6
hey M57, I know next to nothing. so if I make mistakes here, hopefully someone will correct me. I can only tell you my recent experience. I have recorded using an RME Babyface and a Focusrite 6i6. the max input rating at 0dB for their AD's are +12 dBu and +9 dBu, respectively. a while back, someone told me that those are kinda low ratings. so, if I want to turn up my preamps, their gonna overload or clip or distort the AD's. enter the Svartbox!! it is rated in the mid +20's dBu's. that is professional level. I can turn up my preamp. AND also, I am able to record at less hot levels, to allow more headroom for mixdown. think about that. its like a double gift. its like "I have good news AND good news!!" lol (please be clear here, that I am an amateur who knows very little about all of the above. I spend 90% of my music time working on getting better at singing and playing acoustic guitar, once in a while keys. all other technical skills and knowledge are minimal.) that said, to my ears, it sounds better. quieter, clearer, more detailed. better. I am sooooo glad I bought my Svartbox. mind you, it is the first time I have used an external converter. also, just so you know, it entailed running coax rca terminated cables from the Svartbox to the Focusrite 6i6 digital input. so the Svartbox is the clock and the AD conversion. the Focusrite AD conversion is not used (as I don't have anything plugged into the Focusrite analog inputs). on the way out, the coax rca cable goes to the Svartbox, and the AD converter does its thing, and there are 2 1/4" outs (a stereo pair). (there are 2 1/4" ins on the Svartbox, for stereo analog inputs). hope this helps.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 12, 2016 7:48:27 GMT -6
Just try it yourself...that's all the explanation you need.
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Post by svart on Oct 10, 2017 13:09:59 GMT -6
I've been somewhat re-invigorated to think about this project.. I dunno though..
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 20, 2017 23:37:06 GMT -6
Are we discussing the possibility of a Svart 2192 with a bad ass clock? Please say yes The "Svartbox" has a clock that is top of it's class already, and does 24/192 already.. Are you asking for transformers? I'd argue that the "Svartbox" clock source specs out much better than any of the Microclock units, and better than a handful of professional offerings. The only thing it doesn't offer is a WC output. I still think you should license your design out to one of these companies dealing with volume. It’s a great piece! Then take in the dough.
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