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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 17, 2013 11:41:40 GMT -6
You still use tape, but it's digitally coded? I'm confused...
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Post by Ward on Nov 17, 2013 11:59:41 GMT -6
I'm not saying it's the emperor's new clothes, but to quote Jellyfish, "The King is Half-Undressed". There are other ways to run most everything through tape before you get to Pro Tools. Like for example, recording the bed tracks (drums, bass and guitars) on a 24 tracks and then dumping the entire thing into protools for editing before adding the vocals and/or keyboards and/or horns and/or strings etc. Have a read: www.endlessanalog.com/what-is-clasp It's an expensive way of what I've just outlined above. But frankly, considering how good Pro Tools with the Avid HD i/o converters sounds these days, I don't see the need or the point. And of course, there are other great converters and platforms as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 22:25:05 GMT -6
Eric Valentine, an absolute tape freak had a wicked Q/A on GS a few years ago where he made some really good points regarding why something like Clasp doesn't work him. It was interesting and his work and his company (Undertone Audio) speak for itself.
Quite possibly the best Q/A I've ever read there, go figure he wasn't peddling a book or a plugin preset.
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Post by winetree on Nov 17, 2013 23:04:00 GMT -6
When you record to analog tape there's a gap between the record head and playback head. This creates a time delay between what's being recorded, and what you are hearing being played back off the tape. The CLASP system compensates for the delay so you can hear what's coming off the analog tape in real time without the delay.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 18, 2013 10:53:04 GMT -6
Thanks, Winetree!
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Post by scumbum on Nov 18, 2013 12:17:04 GMT -6
I don't get it either , but heres a video about CLASP .
But you know Brad McGowan here on the forum ? He figured out a way to do the same thing pretty much but without a CLASP .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 14:27:43 GMT -6
Oh man. A hardware device and a special software and an optional additional box just to delay compensate a tape? Ehem. Lame. Where is the real benefit? I can*t see it. It is exactly like Brad explains in the videos. Measure delay with a test impulse. Set a delay plugin (like the mentioned voxengo delay). Set and forget (from time to time you may have to calibrate and re-measure). Nothing really special, right?
7.5k $
Wow. I do not even get the point why to use a dedicated hardware+software system for the task at all.
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Post by popmann on Nov 18, 2013 18:42:37 GMT -6
I think it's a neat product for studios who are time (hourly rate) based AND already had 2" decks gathering dust.
I do think it's not a static setting, because tape does run at a static speed. Mostly irrelevant when you're cutting a track start to finish...but, of of more importance when you're using the system to do in/out punches.
Also note, with the second "delay the Cubase input channel"...does Cubase do the same compensation of the playback for input channels? I never use them...but, is it going to delay the entire rest of the mix by the same amount? I always thought the CLASP thing has as much to do with it being seamless--it literally IS set and forget--and it maintain sample accuracy from the repro head as the speed varies and things are dropped in and out.
That said...the audience for this is ironically limited to people who are already having a hard enough time making ends meet. Seems a lot like a solution for a really rare problem.
Plus, it's not "endless analog"....cause in 15min, you're gonna have to rewind. Or is that the other part? Does CLASP actually control the tape transport, too, as part of the sync?
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Post by scumbum on Nov 19, 2013 10:06:55 GMT -6
I don't think it rewinds for you . I'm pretty sure you have to do it . That would suck , during the middle of a great take the tape ran out because you thought it had enough time left , but it didn't , and now the last 30 seconds of the drums didn't hit the tape .
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 19, 2013 11:32:54 GMT -6
Brads solution is cool(where is he?), could you just loop a piece of tape and use it till you wear it out?
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Post by scumbum on Nov 19, 2013 14:14:22 GMT -6
Brads solution is cool(where is he?), could you just loop a piece of tape and use it till you wear it out? Thats actually a great idea , you should patent it quick ! Make an outboard effects box , just tape running in a loop that the audio hits on its way into the DAW .
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Post by winetree on Nov 19, 2013 14:21:16 GMT -6
It's been done. A Roland Space Echo or Echoplex.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 19, 2013 20:05:03 GMT -6
It's been done. A Roland Space Echo or Echoplex. ahhh, but did they make a 24 track space echo??? i think not...8/
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Post by Ward on Nov 20, 2013 11:06:52 GMT -6
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