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Post by guitfiddler on Jul 15, 2016 23:36:38 GMT -6
If you are going out of the Apollo - summing out of the box into a mixer - back into the D-box into the summing input DB-25 what summing mixers are you using? Trying to wrap my head around this. When you go back into the Summing part of the D-box from your Summing mixer, are you using an A/D converter to do your 2 Track master mix for the Sum Output before going back into the DAW? It's an analog output, but if you convert to digital do you hear better quality and gains? or maybe I am just overthinking this? Could someone please help an Audio brother out?
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Post by ragan on Jul 15, 2016 23:52:00 GMT -6
If you are going out of the Apollo - summing out of the box into a mixer - back into the D-box into the summing input DB-25 what summing mixers are you using? Trying to wrap my head around this. When you go back into the Summing part of the D-box from your Summing mixer, are you using an A/D converter to do your 2 Track master mix for the Sum Output before going back into the DAW? It's an analog output, but if you convert to digital do you hear better quality and gains? or maybe I am just overthinking this? Could someone please help an Audio brother out? The D Box is your summing mixer. You go out of the Apollo's 8 line outs, into the D Box, and then take the D Box's 2 channel Sum Out back into the Apollo (or any other AD you want to print to). |
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Post by guitfiddler on Jul 16, 2016 0:27:50 GMT -6
If you are going out of the Apollo - summing out of the box into a mixer - back into the D-box into the summing input DB-25 what summing mixers are you using? Trying to wrap my head around this. When you go back into the Summing part of the D-box from your Summing mixer, are you using an A/D converter to do your 2 Track master mix for the Sum Output before going back into the DAW? It's an analog output, but if you convert to digital do you hear better quality and gains? or maybe I am just overthinking this? Could someone please help an Audio brother out? The D Box is your summing mixer. You go out of the Apollo's 8 line outs, into the D Box, and then take the D Box's 2 channel Sum Out back into the Apollo (or any other AD you want to print to). Thanks for the response Ragan. So you guys aren't using a console or mixer in between the Apollo 8 outs and the DB25 summing input on the Dbox? You are doing the analog processing after the 2 track summing output? I noticed you sold your Burl, you did find a work around? I am still trying to decide about the BF Apollo, have the SF Apollo still. |
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Post by ragan on Jul 16, 2016 1:01:18 GMT -6
The D Box is your summing mixer. You go out of the Apollo's 8 line outs, into the D Box, and then take the D Box's 2 channel Sum Out back into the Apollo (or any other AD you want to print to). Thanks for the response Ragan. So you guys aren't using a console or mixer in between the Apollo 8 outs and the DB25 summing input on the Dbox? You are doing the analog processing after the 2 track summing output? I noticed you sold your Burl, you did find a work around? I am still trying to decide about the BF Apollo, have the SF Apollo still. The D Box summing is, ostensibly, taking the place of a console or other analog sum device. You can still use your hardware on those stems too. Say you want a pair of La3a's on your guitar bus, you just take that stereo line out of your Apollo, run through the LA3a's and then go into the channels you would use for guitars on the D Box. Then if you want, you can put 2 bus analog processing on your mix by putting it between the D Box sum out and your AD input. I do both of those things and enjoy the results. I loved the Burl, but found I could get more sonic bang for that buck elsewhere. |
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 16, 2016 4:44:32 GMT -6
I can understand that its confusing, but yes the D-Box is able to sum 8 tracks and "replaces" a console.
It has a lot of headroom I would not worry to put more than one source on a pair of channels.
You should take care to group sources which are not in the same frequency range.
I heard it by John K. the D Box summing sounds fantastico....use it.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jul 16, 2016 6:46:29 GMT -6
Thanks for the response Ragan. So you guys aren't using a console or mixer in between the Apollo 8 outs and the DB25 summing input on the Dbox? You are doing the analog processing after the 2 track summing output? I noticed you sold your Burl, you did find a work around? I am still trying to decide about the BF Apollo, have the SF Apollo still. The D Box summing is, ostensibly, taking the place of a console or other analog sum device. You can still use your hardware on those stems too. Say you want a pair of La3a's on your guitar bus, you just take that stereo line out of your Apollo, run through the LA3a's and then go into the channels you would use for guitars on the D Box. Then if you want, you can put 2 bus analog processing on your mix by putting it between the D Box sum out and your AD input. I do both of those things and enjoy the results. I loved the Burl, but found I could get more sonic bang for that buck elsewhere. Elsewhere...hmmm. 2 buss+? I am just stumped on the part coming back into the DAW configuring the input, I have to mute something so it won't feedback. I know that the headroom isn't very good going back into the 1/2 analog Input. I am going to go back in digital for my two track through another converter, see if that helps. The analog stage on the SF Apollo isn't very good. The plan is to upgrade to a BF Apollo and then maybe I can use the analog inputs on the Apollo. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Jul 16, 2016 6:48:52 GMT -6
I can understand that its confusing, but yes the D-Box is able to sum 8 tracks and "replaces" a console. It has a lot of headroom I would not worry to put more than one source on a pair of channels. You should take care to group sources which are not in the same frequency range. I heard it by John K. the D Box summing sounds fantastico....use it. It does make perfect sense, I just lost the part on how I configure my tracks going back into DAW in from the Dbox Sum output. I have to mute a couple channels, but is there another trick? It's the I/O routing in the DAW and Apollo mixer part that's getting me stumped. Still working on it Thanks guys. |
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Post by ragan on Jul 16, 2016 9:22:32 GMT -6
The D Box summing is, ostensibly, taking the place of a console or other analog sum device. You can still use your hardware on those stems too. Say you want a pair of La3a's on your guitar bus, you just take that stereo line out of your Apollo, run through the LA3a's and then go into the channels you would use for guitars on the D Box. Then if you want, you can put 2 bus analog processing on your mix by putting it between the D Box sum out and your AD input. I do both of those things and enjoy the results. I loved the Burl, but found I could get more sonic bang for that buck elsewhere. Elsewhere...hmmm. 2 buss+? I am just stumped on the part coming back into the DAW configuring the input, I have to mute something so it won't feedback. I know that the headroom isn't very good going back into the 1/2 analog Input. I am going to go back in digital for my two track through another converter, see if that helps. The analog stage on the SF Apollo isn't very good. The plan is to upgrade to a BF Apollo and then maybe I can use the analog inputs on the Apollo. I don't get the "mute channels" part. Set up a stereo aux in your DAW and call it like "D Box Mon" or something. Set its input to whatever analog inputs the D Box sum is going to. Solo safe it and there you go. You can hear your D Box summed signal while you're mixing. Then, when it's time to print, just create a stereo audio track, set it to those same inputs that the D Box sum is going to,(I call it "D Box Print"), arm it and push record. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 16, 2016 17:28:33 GMT -6
When you playback, you might have to mute the UAD Console, but should have to when recording back in.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jul 16, 2016 19:42:35 GMT -6
Thanks Ragan and JK. I think I got it now. I routed my D-box sum output to some outboard and into another converter just to test it out. I am using my Apogee 16X into the Apollo SF, but using the Apogee clock, world of difference on the Apollo. It sounds usable now, but I can only use 8 of my 16 channels going into the Apollo lightpipe...ugh. It's always something. I was looking at the Apollo 16 BF also, but I want the extra preamps and the realtime efx on the cue system.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 16, 2016 20:39:49 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 16, 2016 20:40:23 GMT -6
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Post by guitfiddler on Jul 16, 2016 21:05:53 GMT -6
Nice! Thanks John.
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