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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 2, 2016 13:29:47 GMT -6
Here's one of several videos to come of Ryan (Eminem, Jay-Z, Usher, Dr. Dre, etc.) describing his workflow with Dangerous Audio hardware. I REALLLLY want a 2 Bus +... OH - and guess who's song is being used in the videos!  |
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Post by swurveman on Jul 2, 2016 19:10:41 GMT -6
I watched his video to hear the transformer. It sounded to me like when he did the "in/out" comparison the tranformer sustained the low end notes. Anybody else hear that?
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Post by jsteiger on Jul 2, 2016 21:46:53 GMT -6
OH - and guess who's song is being used in the videos! Nice man! Super awesome! I hope you get a royalty check  |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jul 3, 2016 0:43:38 GMT -6
You should ask for some of that YouTube Ad Revenue :-P :-D
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Post by joey808 on Jul 5, 2016 1:18:41 GMT -6
What did he use for his A/D?
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 5, 2016 1:28:23 GMT -6
Nice Video and I like DM too, but I dont see myself paying 4000 Euro for a summing unit.... If I want that I can patch the desks output to the 1073....
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 5, 2016 11:09:15 GMT -6
I watched his video to hear the transformer. It sounded to me like when he did the "in/out" comparison the tranformer sustained the low end notes. Anybody else hear that? With the Transformers being inserted, is there supposed to be that big of a difference hearing the effect.? I thought transformers were not subtle type effect ? I understand that he has the pot max , are most transformer effects this noticeable in the audio path or circuit ? Congrats @johnkenn awesome song! |
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Post by donr on Jul 5, 2016 18:32:28 GMT -6
So.. When is the plug-in version of the 2 Bus+ coming out? [running and ducking]
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Post by joey808 on Jul 5, 2016 19:49:25 GMT -6
Wow! those converters are waaaaaaay too expensive!
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Post by mikec on Jul 5, 2016 21:19:27 GMT -6
I've got the 2bus+ and D box summing 24 tracks from an Apollo 16 and Apollo 8p and I am finally in a place where I don't feel I am missing out on anything. The other night I was working on a mix and thought it sounded a little harsh. Then realized I was monitoring direct from the daw and not through the 2 Bus+ and D box. Once I hit the analog button on the D box it was a significant difference. I am a big believer in the sound provided by these boxes.
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Post by ryanwestmusic on Jul 6, 2016 12:21:32 GMT -6
What did he use for his A/D? For now, I'm using an Apogee Trak2. I still dig the sound but I have something new in the pipeline! |
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Post by ryanwestmusic on Jul 6, 2016 12:26:16 GMT -6
I watched his video to hear the transformer. It sounded to me like when he did the "in/out" comparison the tranformer sustained the low end notes. Anybody else hear that? With the Transformers being inserted, is there supposed to be that big of a difference hearing the effect.? I thought transformers were not subtle type effect ? I understand that he has the pot max , are most transformer effects this noticeable in the audio path or circuit ? Congrats @johnkenn awesome song! Hey Swurveman. If you drive a transformer hard, it's not subtle at all. But I like to keep it modest and just use it to tighten up the low end a bit. It's just a way to make a mix sound a bit more cohesive. Someone else commented here that they'd rather send the two-mix out to a pair of 1073s. In fact, that's whole idea of the transformer circuit! |
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Post by ryanwestmusic on Jul 6, 2016 12:36:12 GMT -6
I recently added the Convert2 as my main D/A and a Monitor ST. I've now got a mix rig that is almost entirely Dangerous gear. Just waiting for them to come out with their own A/D!!!
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Post by Guitar on Jul 6, 2016 14:41:08 GMT -6
Have summing mixer / will travel.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 6, 2016 21:16:56 GMT -6
I've got the 2bus+ and D box summing 24 tracks from an Apollo 16 and Apollo 8p and I am finally in a place where I don't feel I am missing out on anything. The other night I was working on a mix and thought it sounded a little harsh. Then realized I was monitoring direct from the daw and not through the 2 Bus+ and D box. Once I hit the analog button on the D box it was a significant difference. I am a big believer in the sound provided by these boxes. Can you help me understand a bit? Do you print your mixes to tape or to DAW? Are you on a console ? Isn't the analog path in the d box different from the "sum" path and daw ? How does listening to the analog path help the mix? If Listening via analog feed, summing via 2bus+ & d box back to DAW, wouldn't you want to monitor the DAW to know/ hear your mixprint using the fabulous dangerous d/a converter? From my knowledge, The analog button is your analog feed from the Apollo Mon L/R into the d box analog inputs, which lets you monitor Conosle in real time for tracking / overdubs late in mix stage! I never really wrapped my head around the 2bus + with D box summing setup, however from the Apollo + d box vids I'm pretty sure monitoring the Daw would be the best via D box due to the great d/a converter! Do you always sum your mixes? What does the summing do for your sound? Have you been able to pick your summed mixes vs non summed mixes reliably and if so what parts of the music let you key in on how the summing helped? For me, summing would be a very expensive investment, and I would want to reliably know my summed mixes are better. I know some don't believe it worth it, however I am here to learn and am open minded regarding summing. I have been wondering how good the d box da is compared to SF Apollo, or how much improvement would be yielded by upgrading my DA vs my Apollo DA... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 6, 2016 21:29:57 GMT -6
I can answer the DA question. The Dbox is better than both the SF and the Blackface...although, the Blackface is super close. I love my D-box. I have a blackface Apollo and use it as DA and route out 4 stereo channels to the summing mixer. Print that into PTs/Cubase and then add mastering and print back through again.
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Post by noah shain on Jul 6, 2016 23:23:44 GMT -6
I can answer the DA question. The Dbox is better than both the SF and the Blackface...although, the Blackface is super close. I love my D-box. I have a blackface Apollo and use it as DA and route out 4 stereo channels to the summing mixer. Print that into PTs/Cubase and then add mastering and print back through again. JK, you sum 4 stereo pairs through the DBox and print in to daw then you add your mastering chain BEFORE you send a stereo mix back out to the DBox and capture it again? Is that right? |
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Post by joey808 on Jul 7, 2016 0:11:57 GMT -6
Thanks for the responses Ryan! Got a few questions.
What's the total cost of your system?
Are you using HD software or Protools vanilla? I see they're usb interfaces, how did you configure your converters in protools?
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Post by joey808 on Jul 7, 2016 0:15:04 GMT -6
What did he use for his A/D? For now, I'm using an Apogee Trak2. I still dig the sound but I have something new in the pipeline! Dangerous A/D? |
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Post by Guitar on Jul 7, 2016 7:37:11 GMT -6
There is a subtle sound quality that can only be achieved with hardware, and you'd know it if you heard it. I think if you A) mix hybrid with a lot of hardware processors and B) sum on a console or a summing mixer, you are just going to get a lot closer to a "certain" sound, almost automatically, not from any effort on your part, just by virtue of running through so much physical gear.
I think the big question is if it is worth the expense and effort, because ITB mixing is 100X cheaper and more compact. It's a huge effort for a small return. Maybe some guys are looking for that extra 5% or whatever. Hell, maybe it's even 10% better to use hardware. Some types of music don't really even need to sound like "that." It just depends on your goals.
For me, an album like "In Rainbows" or "Sea Change" exemplifies the sound of modern hardware mixdown. These are reference standards for me, and for this reason I will be adding to my hardware complement, not reducing it. But I will say ITB mixing sounds fine and don't lose any sleep over it. To me the big hardware rig is sort of a connoisseur thing, or a labor of love. By far the most important differentiating factor is the person sitting in front of the controls.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 7, 2016 7:46:24 GMT -6
For me, an album like "In Rainbows" or "Sea Change" exemplifies the sound of modern hardware mixdown. These are reference standards for me, and for this reason I will be adding to my hardware complement, not reducing it. I love "In Rainbows". It's so warm, yet clean and modern sounding at the same time. Really, really great record. When I was in college, we took a field trip up to Gateway Mastering in Portland and met with Bog Ludwig for the day. He had just received the record to master. I was cool to meet the man working on it, check out his place, then hear such a nice record after it dropped. Cool experience. Also, like you said, it's the tightrope walk between ease of recall and the sound/tactile control of hardware that we're all trying to walk. |
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Post by ryanwestmusic on Jul 7, 2016 7:51:00 GMT -6
Thanks for the responses Ryan! Got a few questions. What's the total cost of your system? Are you using HD software or Protools vanilla? I see they're usb interfaces, how did you configure your converters in protools? Hi Joey. Retail cost breaks down as follows: 2 x Convert8 @ $3500 each = $7000 Convert2 @ $2500 2Bus+ @ $3000 Monitor ST @ $2000 Apogee Trak2 can be had on Ebay @ $900 Cabling @ approx. $800 Total less tax/shipping $16,200 I'm running PT HD 11 and the converters use Core Audio to communicate which has a 32 I/O limitation. Not the best option but it works for me. Protools I/O preferences have to be set to "aggregate I/O" which is fairly seamless. |
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Post by ryanwestmusic on Jul 7, 2016 7:51:50 GMT -6
For now, I'm using an Apogee Trak2. I still dig the sound but I have something new in the pipeline! Dangerous A/D? I can neither confirm nor deny the potential existence of such a thing.  |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 7, 2016 8:16:35 GMT -6
Thanks for the responses Ryan! Got a few questions. What's the total cost of your system? Are you using HD software or Protools vanilla? I see they're usb interfaces, how did you configure your converters in protools? Hi Joey. Retail cost breaks down as follows: 2 x Convert8 @ $3500 each = $7000 Convert2 @ $2500 2Bus+ @ $3000 Monitor ST @ $2000 Apogee Trak2 can be had on Ebay @ $900 Cabling @ approx. $800 Total less tax/shipping $16,200 I'm running PT HD 11 and the converters use Core Audio to communicate which has a 32 I/O limitation. Not the best option but it works for me. Protools I/O preferences have to be set to "aggregate I/O" which is fairly seamless. Do you have a "home base" studio that you work out of? What kind of outboard are you running...or are you mainly ITB and just running the summing mixers? |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 7, 2016 9:18:04 GMT -6
I'm very interested in summing mixers in general. I've heard tracks done with and without a D-Box, and every time, the D-Box mix was better. I've also used a Burl D/A, and loved that too.
If given the choice, what would you guys prefer, the complete Dangerous Music system, or a complete Burl system?
Step by step, I can see myself going this way in time. My first priority after paying my rent is to get a Neve style pre soon. I'm interested in the RTZ 500 series.
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