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Post by mulmany on Nov 11, 2013 15:15:36 GMT -6
As it says.... looking for analog 2 buss options. Can you give concrete reasons for why you like it, or styles of music it works with?
I have a pair of vp28's, looking to add stereo comp and eq. This is being used as analog insert in PT.
If it's diy all the better.
Thanks.
Been doing a lot more mixing lately, so trying to provide more options for tracks I did not record.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 11, 2013 16:13:39 GMT -6
Mulmany, like your drawn vp28 avatar  The vps will work nice there, you may consider a serpent audio sb4000 ssl type compressor on the 2, i personally don't use anything on my 2(i'm a pariah lol), i'll leave that to the mastering fella, as a matter of fact, i'm bypassing the fader on my master section now(i'll let you know if it lasts), still working and figuring a lot of stuff out here. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 16:20:49 GMT -6
Use to use a sick sick sick compressor from Regular John Recording. www.regularjohnrecording.com Now I use the Waves 4k comp. The Analog unit was a little smoother but the Waves one has a thing too. Both were really good. I think I paid $1100 for the comp at regularjohnrecording.com |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 11, 2013 17:07:20 GMT -6
Use to use a sick sick sick compressor from Regular John Recording. www.regularjohnrecording.com Now I use the Waves 4k comp. The Analog unit was a little smoother but the Waves one has a thing too. Both were really good. I think I paid $1100 for the comp at regularjohnrecording.com I also have an RJR sick sick sick bus comp. Mine has a switchable Lundahl transformers and a high pass. I mix into it rather than popping on at the end. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 19:12:19 GMT -6
Use to use a sick sick sick compressor from Regular John Recording. www.regularjohnrecording.com Now I use the Waves 4k comp. The Analog unit was a little smoother but the Waves one has a thing too. Both were really good. I think I paid $1100 for the comp at regularjohnrecording.com I also have an RJR sick sick sick bus comp. Mine has a switchable Lundahl transformers and a high pass. I mix into it rather than popping on at the end. Yup this was how I used mine as well. I had a side chain filter on mine that I didn't like using and it was transformerless. What to the trannies bring to the table as far as sonics go? As far as eq goes I would get something like a pultec or retro and then follow it with a clariphonic. The clariphonic opens the top like nothing I've ever heard before but my experience with gear is limited. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 19:16:54 GMT -6
I'd also add that if I were going this route, I'd really make the round trip worth it. I'd get the tonebuss, shadow hills master comp, pultec, clariphonic and an anamod or rnd tape sim into the missing links. But that's a very expensive back end that digital can do as well for a fraction of the cost of just the shadow hills master compressor.
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Post by mulmany on Nov 11, 2013 20:58:16 GMT -6
I hear a big difference with the vp28's feeding actions in "off" mode. In my last mix sessions the client picked the analog loop over the itb versions for every track on the album. I don't want to get too crazy with it, but a lot of my clients are not having their tracks mastered. I want to provide sweetening and cohesion for those projects.
Thanks for the tip on rjr.
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Post by levon on Nov 12, 2013 9:10:50 GMT -6
I use a Manley Vari-Mu - between 1-2 db reduction - into a Retro 2A3. I mix into it, I believe that is essential, you can't just slap it on a finished mix unless you want to ruin it. I also leave the rest to mastering. The important thing for me is to use the comp for the sound, not for volume, again, that's for mastering.
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Post by svart on Nov 12, 2013 12:12:27 GMT -6
I use the GSSL, but with mods to make it like the original SSL instead (second sidechain, revised resistor values, etc). Sometimes I put a Sontec across it, but mainly not.
I always mix through the SSL bus compressor. It never leaves the inserts on the master bus and I almost never change the settings. I just give it more or less input level to adjust the amount of color I get from it.
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Post by unit7 on Nov 12, 2013 13:35:35 GMT -6
I use a Manley Vari-Mu - between 1-2 db reduction - into a Retro 2A3. I mix into it, I believe that is essential, you can't just slap it on a finished mix unless you want to ruin it. I also leave the rest to mastering. The important thing for me is to use the comp for the sound, not for volume, again, that's for mastering. Exactly my approach too, except that I rarely compress more than 1dB. Same kind of gear setup too, Analoguetube into Cartec. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 12, 2013 14:56:23 GMT -6
I hear a big difference with the vp28's feeding actions in "off" mode. In my last mix sessions the client picked the analog loop over the itb versions for every track on the album. I don't want to get too crazy with it, but a lot of my clients are not having their tracks mastered. I want to provide sweetening and cohesion for those projects. Thanks for the tip on rjr. Watch out broman, this revelation is opening up a very expensive pandora's box  |
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Post by mulmany on Nov 13, 2013 16:10:54 GMT -6
[/quote]Watch out broman, this revelation is opening up a very expensive pandora's box [/quote] Yeah, I hear ya! It seems that every desirable stereo buss unit is pricey. Looking at the SSL clones and thinking of a varimu unit. |
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Post by Ward on Nov 14, 2013 7:11:12 GMT -6
I used to run out of the stereo buss from Pro Tools into a Focusrite Red 2 and Red 3 and then into the Tascam DV100HD deck and also make use of it's built in limiting. I've experimented with other things also.
Anyhow, one day the 1000 decided to crash, and I love everything off the internal drive. So I went back to mixing in the box. Using the SSL buss comp, AIR stereo image expander and the Waves L1 limiter ultramaximizer, I'm getting very similar results.
I'll probably go OTB again and will keep this thread in mind and report back!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 21:36:08 GMT -6
ITB i have UAD Pultec, mainly for it's low end bump and the Nomad BT Brickwall Limiter (well, it comes with Sonar now, and i seem to like it) in the master. At the moment i have no clear preference on a 'glueing' compressor for ITB.
My last OTB master effects were a (don't laugh) modded 1994 SPL stereo vitalizer into an EMT266 broadcast transient (lookahead) limiter, but used in compressor/softknee mode for a slight bit of glue. I like it's very gentle sonic fingerprint.
And as for the SPL: An opamp upgrade gave excellent 'depth' to it and a very low noise level. After some people heard it, i had to mod two more of them.... Sometimes i give a touch of silky highs and a soft bass bump to the slight stereo spread... I love it a lot more than the ITB software Vitalizer that i demoed and the later hardware units as well, btw..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 22:19:50 GMT -6
VCC, out to Daking FET III (like the punch, glue, side chain, variable linkage and openness) and back to Softube Pultecs until I get my Electra!
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Post by Hudsonic on Nov 16, 2013 9:35:55 GMT -6
Of course I use the Rupert Neve Designs (Texas) Master Buss Processor. It is mostly working lightly with 2-3 dB of compression. Make up gain is sometimes substantial as I find that running the program material through the MBP is adding a highly desirable sound for me. The high voltage design is credited with some of the high performance characteristics of this box.
Another little known secret weapon is the Junger Accent 1 digital processor. It is a German multi-band compressor and sound treatment box. It has unique algorithms developed by Junger.
This box is seen in all sophisticated classical music finishing rooms.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 11:24:36 GMT -6
Oh, yes.
Good you remind about secret weapon stuff....
But for everyone looking out for Jünger products - despite the fact that the compressors are famous for its transparency and upward compression, the limiters are not everyones cup of tea....just a side note...
For transparent broadcast devices in the analog domain, one should look for the EMT266X (has upgraded opamps) and the Höf Dynamic Master. The Höf stuff is pretty good, i have a nifty 16ch. kind of console "midi-controlled insert console automation", the HF-16. Great stuff. I would have been definitely in the market for the Dynamic Master if i hadn't already the EMT266....and if you find a Höf unit, it is mostly not expensive at all, because it is not as known as it should be.
I forgot also some stuff i regularly use for ITB compression and some sweet analog like mojo mostly on master bus - the Bootsie aka Variety of Sound plugins. Some are really good despite the fact that they are mostly freeware. The Density compressors i liked very much, and also the somehow discontinued NastyVSD ("virtual summing device", lookout for the Nasty-series 1.2.1...). But his other stuff is also well worth demoing (and some are keepers for me...). I demoed quite some of payware plugins that can really, really not hold up with these... just as a tip...costs you nothing...
Best regards,
Martin
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 16, 2013 12:53:48 GMT -6
I had two of Jeff's VC528 Missing Links that I ran through for final mixdown...LOVED THAT. Loved the Hi CUT fliter...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 13:01:54 GMT -6
An RND 5043 cos Greg Wells said it was amazing! In truth, after reading his somewhat hyperbolic endorsement on that horrible forum (can't remember the name  ) I called the distributor of RND in the UK to ask if they had a demo unit available. I loved it and then they offered it to me at an impossible to refuse price. I have used it ever since and even bought another for the drum bus. I really like the Feedback mode. |
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Post by henge on Nov 16, 2013 13:06:27 GMT -6
VBC Red not doing anything, maybe a db of gentle compression, just adding it's tone into a Great River eq2nv thats dipping 6.8k and maybe a -1 db 18k high shelf if needed. I love the low mid girth on the eq2nv.
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Post by barforama on Nov 19, 2013 12:58:07 GMT -6
Usually Chandler Zener in limit mode followed by a Clariphonic og Summit EQP200B.
Why? Because the Zener kicks ass on rock-style program material and i usually like to open up the top end in the final stage.
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The vps will work nice there, you may consider a serpent audio sb4000 ssl type compressor on the 2, i personally don't use anything on my 2(i'm a pariah lol), i'll leave that to the mastering fella, as a matter of fact, i'm bypassing the fader on my master section now(i'll let you know if it lasts), still working and figuring a lot of stuff out here.
) I called the distributor of RND in the UK to ask if they had a demo unit available. I loved it and then they offered it to me at an impossible to refuse price. I have used it ever since and even bought another for the drum bus.
