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Post by mrholmes on Jun 12, 2016 10:11:08 GMT -6
Since I have 8 cores and 32 GB of RAM I do not have to think about if I use native plug ins which eat a lot of my CPU. Today I did a mix all ITB. On every channel I did use the Kush Transformer N. And rest was all UAD some Logic EQs ...  That comes very close to the sound of my hybrid setup. If there is quality plug ins the KUSH one are my Nr1 form now on. That is a big step forward. On the mixbus I did use a combination of a Tape Sim and The Klanghelm SDRR  Thumps UP KUSH AUDIO... |
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Post by Guitar on Jun 12, 2016 12:44:47 GMT -6
Is there any way you could post a before and after clip?
Plugins are blowing my mind lately too. If you track with the good stuff, it seems like plugins can carry the mix process pretty easily.
Like that old saw, "If it's tracked well, it almost mixes itself." I guess that's where the gear is most important. In my world anyway.
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Post by warrenfirehouse on Jun 12, 2016 12:49:42 GMT -6
Ive been using it also. Its really fantastic. Im gonna grab the "a" soon too and give it a whirl.
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 12, 2016 12:55:21 GMT -6
Is there any way you could post a before and after clip? Plugins are blowing my mind lately too. If you track with the good stuff, it seems like plugins can carry the mix process pretty easily. Like that old saw, "If it's tracked well, it almost mixes itself." I guess that's where the gear is most important. In my world anyway. I could post the song and a different song without the Kush stuff. But take my word for it the Kush Transformers make it more easy to mix it all ITB. Its still not the same as with hybrid, but it sounds very good. If Kush digs deeper in this direction they will be the leader of the competition. |
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Post by Guitar on Jun 12, 2016 13:05:27 GMT -6
I've always thought that analog distortion and nonlinearity was the most important thing to have in mixing equipment. If you have classic ears, raised on classic rock and '90s alternative like mine.
My favorite hardware mixing and tracking gear has transformers in it, so I'm not surprised at your findings.
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 12, 2016 14:22:12 GMT -6
I've always thought that analog distortion and nonlinearity was the most important thing to have in mixing equipment. If you have classic ears, raised on classic rock and '90s alternative like mine. My favorite hardware mixing and tracking gear has transformers in it, so I'm not surprised at your findings. I am just surprised about how precise it is compared to my 1073 hardware. I guess in a double blind test I would fail easily. As the saying in the 80s goes tracked on a Neve mixed on an SSL. But also other hardware has nice artifacts even if it is called clean. Something changes with any real gear, more often than with plugs. Why cant we have more of those companies like Kush. Those plug ins sound so good that I think to sell my Neve and to buy two Kush preamps. |
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Post by Guitar on Jun 12, 2016 14:24:35 GMT -6
I guess it's no surprise that my favorite plugins are the ones made in the past zero to five years. Digital technology is doing some serious ketchup lately.
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 12, 2016 14:40:10 GMT -6
I guess it's no surprise that my favorite plugins are the ones made in the past zero to five years. Digital technology is doing some serious ketchup lately. My favorites in the last 5 years. UAD: 1176 MKII / LA2A MKII / and the old 1073 EQ for his smooth top end. Klanghelm: Compressors and Mixbus Simulation. Waves: SSL Bundle G EQ. Kush: Transformers. Toneboosters Tape SIM. FX: Lexicon PCM Reverb Stock Logic 9 Chorus, Delays and Distortion. Altiverb 6 Noamd Blue Tubes Bundle. I wont sell my HW, but I see myself using the Kush very often special for software instrument tracks which have not seen any hardware, synthesizers etc. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 12, 2016 14:43:17 GMT -6
I bought the Kush Transformer N, it's cool.
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 12, 2016 16:30:39 GMT -6
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Post by tasteliketape on Jun 12, 2016 18:33:08 GMT -6
I have both A An the N I seem to like the A on bass and drums N on about all else but this isn't written in stone of course
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Post by drbill on Jun 12, 2016 19:49:40 GMT -6
I'm all good with plugins. But for the last 4 weeks since my CRM was finished, I've been mixing HARD CORE hybrid. 4 Silver Bullets, 2 LA2a's, 2 Vari Mu's, 550A's, Missing Links, 2 LA3a's, 2 Splice 1176's, 4 661's, 4 DBX 560's, SB4001, and a bunch of other great hardware - all coming up as hardware inserts (just like plug in inserts) in pro tools. As I go along, I'm comparing previous ITB mixes that I did with plugins while the studio was being built to the hardware infused mixes and it's not close. It's a world apart. Depth, width, punch, size, and most of all an "alive" feeling come with the analog hardware over the plugins. Comparing one track with hardware vs. plugin is not a real comparison. A real comparison is comparing 20 plugins to 20 channels of hardware. It's enough to make me virtually fall out of my chair. Plugs are great. Especially if you don't have gear or a budget. But they are a far cry from being a substitute for hardware. This is the most exciting I've been mixing in a couple of decades, and I don't miss my console one bit.
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Post by tasteliketape on Jun 12, 2016 20:47:42 GMT -6
I totally agree drbill but these are quick easy . I'm working on a very poorly recored live mix where the keyboard was direct an the kush N plugin was the ticket
BUT IF budget and time Wasnt a factor I would definitely ran it thru outboard no comparison but this plug did help in a quick fix well worth the 24 dollars I paid for it
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 13, 2016 1:23:24 GMT -6
I'm all good with plugins. But for the last 4 weeks since my CRM was finished, I've been mixing HARD CORE hybrid. 4 Silver Bullets, 2 LA2a's, 2 Vari Mu's, 550A's, Missing Links, 2 LA3a's, 2 Splice 1176's, 4 661's, 4 DBX 560's, SB4001, and a bunch of other great hardware - all coming up as hardware inserts (just like plug in inserts) in pro tools. As I go along, I'm comparing previous ITB mixes that I did with plugins while the studio was being built to the hardware infused mixes and it's not close. It's a world apart. Depth, width, punch, size, and most of all an "alive" feeling come with the analog hardware over the plugins. Comparing one track with hardware vs. plugin is not a real comparison. A real comparison is comparing 20 plugins to 20 channels of hardware. It's enough to make me virtually fall out of my chair. Plugs are great. Especially if you don't have gear or a budget. But they are a far cry from being a substitute for hardware. This is the most exciting I've been mixing in a couple of decades, and I don't miss my console one bit. I think you get my opening post wrong drbill All I am saying is this plug in behaves very much like hardware. If you push the input it starts to sing. I am not saying I wont use my hardware anymore. I am saying we need more plug ins like this one. Demo it if you haven't yet? I bet you will find a use for it because its a quick fix for sterile sounding tracks. |
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Post by drbill on Jun 13, 2016 8:36:19 GMT -6
I'm all good with plugins. But for the last 4 weeks since my CRM was finished, I've been mixing HARD CORE hybrid. 4 Silver Bullets, 2 LA2a's, 2 Vari Mu's, 550A's, Missing Links, 2 LA3a's, 2 Splice 1176's, 4 661's, 4 DBX 560's, SB4001, and a bunch of other great hardware - all coming up as hardware inserts (just like plug in inserts) in pro tools. As I go along, I'm comparing previous ITB mixes that I did with plugins while the studio was being built to the hardware infused mixes and it's not close. It's a world apart. Depth, width, punch, size, and most of all an "alive" feeling come with the analog hardware over the plugins. Comparing one track with hardware vs. plugin is not a real comparison. A real comparison is comparing 20 plugins to 20 channels of hardware. It's enough to make me virtually fall out of my chair. Plugs are great. Especially if you don't have gear or a budget. But they are a far cry from being a substitute for hardware. This is the most exciting I've been mixing in a couple of decades, and I don't miss my console one bit. I think you get my opening post wrong drbill All I am saying is this plug in behaves very much like hardware. If you push the input it starts to sing. I am not saying I wont use my hardware anymore. I am saying we need more plug ins like this one. Demo it if you haven't yet? I bet you will find a use for it because its a quick fix for sterile sounding tracks. I get you. I love plugs too, and I have LOTS of really great ones. The new CRM is the first time I've been able to go "all out" with a serious hybrid approach though, and the MASS of hardware - not a one against one comparison - has led me to abandon as many plugs as possible if I can replace them with hardware. They are still in the mix though, but i'm leaning much more heavily on hardware to get the sound now. It's all cool. I will try Greg's plug when I get around to it. Right now I'm having the most fun mixing I've had in over 10 years. And it's SOUNDING so much better as well. Cheers, bp |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 13, 2016 9:06:19 GMT -6
As I go along, I'm comparing previous ITB mixes that I did with plugins while the studio was being built to the hardware infused mixes and it's not close. It's a world apart. Depth, width, punch, size, and most of all an "alive" feeling come with the analog hardware over the plugins. Comparing one track with hardware vs. plugin is not a real comparison. A real comparison is comparing 20 plugins to 20 channels of hardware. It's enough to make me virtually fall out of my chair. Any examples that we can listen to? |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jun 13, 2016 9:14:24 GMT -6
I'm all good with plugins. But for the last 4 weeks since my CRM was finished, I've been mixing HARD CORE hybrid. 4 Silver Bullets, 2 LA2a's, 2 Vari Mu's, 550A's, Missing Links, 2 LA3a's, 2 Splice 1176's, 4 661's, 4 DBX 560's, SB4001, and a bunch of other great hardware - all coming up as hardware inserts (just like plug in inserts) in pro tools. As I go along, I'm comparing previous ITB mixes that I did with plugins while the studio was being built to the hardware infused mixes and it's not close. It's a world apart. Depth, width, punch, size, and most of all an "alive" feeling come with the analog hardware over the plugins. Comparing one track with hardware vs. plugin is not a real comparison. A real comparison is comparing 20 plugins to 20 channels of hardware. It's enough to make me virtually fall out of my chair. Plugs are great. Especially if you don't have gear or a budget. But they are a far cry from being a substitute for hardware. This is the most exciting I've been mixing in a couple of decades, and I don't miss my console one bit. I agree 100% with this. I mix hybrid as well but I don't have nearly as much hardware. I use the hardware I do have on prominent sources in the mix though which makes a huge difference I think. The rest of the channels get software. And I can usually get a satisfactory result with plugins on those. I've found that parallel processing with plugins is the easiest way to get a "hardware" like result out of plugins. And summing is a key factor as well. Capturing a print does something that no bounce can do. Proven it myself time and time again. |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 13, 2016 16:29:36 GMT -6
Kush makes some great HW and SW! I agree with Dr. Bill in regards to HW depth and feeling more Alive. I love ITB for all the right reasons, but the first time I ran my vocals thru the wa76, I was shocked with a huge grin. I UAD and love their plugs hate the price of entry/ cost, even the new mk2 1176 are amazing but the Warm was that much better for me on my take on my room at that time. Further testing has proven I can pick out the SW vs HW ( UAD vs WA76 ) reliably, however I am not speaking on overall quality, I made due just fine before the wa76. I enjoy SW for all the wonderful reasons and also enjoy HW for its attributes as well. It's awesome I can incorporate quality HW / SW for way cheaper than 10 years ago, not to mention the quality leap since then in SW!
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 18, 2016 9:48:22 GMT -6
Is there any way you could post a before and after clip? Plugins are blowing my mind lately too. If you track with the good stuff, it seems like plugins can carry the mix process pretty easily. Like that old saw, "If it's tracked well, it almost mixes itself." I guess that's where the gear is most important. In my world anyway. Just that you can hear something its an hold on telephone music loop which I did write for a friends company. Its all ITB his wish was an old school sound with some modern drum elements for my taste Kush saved this sound. https%3A//soundcloud.com/andreasoberholz/70s-funky-rhyt-guitar |
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Post by Ward on Jun 18, 2016 21:33:40 GMT -6
UAD: 1176 MKII / LA2A MKII / and the old 1073 EQ for his smooth top end. I find this is a great combination, although I use the real-life actual hardware of each of these... and an actual 1073 pre also. But at least you know what yo are supposed to use to get it right! |
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 19, 2016 15:22:51 GMT -6
UAD: 1176 MKII / LA2A MKII / and the old 1073 EQ for his smooth top end. I find this is a great combination, although I use the real-life actual hardware of each of these... and an actual 1073 pre also. But at least you know what yo are supposed to use to get it right! I prefer HW too but he did ask for favourite Plug Ins. |
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Post by Guitar on Jun 19, 2016 16:21:17 GMT -6
I just tried some of the Sly Fi and Kush stuff on a few vocal tracks and it absolutely nailed what I was going for. Very pleased.
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