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Post by swurveman on Jun 8, 2016 16:43:37 GMT -6
I really enjoyed how Brendan O'Brien made AC/DC more modern in "Rock Or Bust". The guitars and drums sound warmer on this album. There's a room sound to the guitars that are usually bone dry and there's a room depth to the drums as well without compromising that big snare sound.
I've read that O'Brien likes to parallel compress the overheads- with no compression on individual kit pieces- and use one mono room mic and work from there for ambience, but who knows what the truth is. There's also more sustain in Brian Johnson's vocal than usual. All in all a great sounding rock song.
If any of you rock and rollers want to comment on specifics of sounds in this comparison, I'm all ears.
Rock or Bust
Black Ice
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Post by Ward on Jun 8, 2016 21:53:06 GMT -6
Accadacca is busted
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Post by henge on Jun 9, 2016 5:57:25 GMT -6
I really enjoyed how Brendan O'Brien made AC/DC more modern in "Rock Or Bust". The guitars and drums sound warmer on this album. There's a room sound to the guitars that are usually bone dry and there's a room depth to the drums as well without compromising that big snare sound. I've read that O'Brien likes to parallel compress the overheads- with no compression on individual kit pieces- and use one mono room mic and work from there for ambience, but who knows what the truth is. There's also more sustain in Brian Johnson's vocal than usual. All in all a great sounding rock song. If any of you rock and rollers want to comment on specifics of sounds in this comparison, I'm all ears. Rock or Bust Black Ice Yeah the warmer mids add depth and size in the first vid. Killer mix! These guys have amazing arena rock songs imo. The arrangements translate to arenas and stadiums like no other band I've heard live. All those spaces sound huge in an arena. |
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Post by popmann on Jun 9, 2016 8:59:53 GMT -6
If they coulda combine the dry'ish fat drums on the new one without utterly ruining Angus's guitar and the vocal, which are both FAR better on whatever "black Ice" came from....then they'd be back to their winning sound. Which is obviously what they want as they've been rerecording the same couple songs for like my entire life. I think it's dangerous to say things like the "midrange is warmer"....it's GONE. Take a 800hz-1k bell and pull down until it's "warm enough" for you.  The guitars sounds so smeared around like they had him quad track the same parts....phase smeared them all with different EQ, parallel mushed them up more....and then had the mastering guy gut more of his attack with mastering limiters. This is part of the issue with applying the same rules to every track--Brendan works with Springsteen and who Pearl Jam....? Guys who NON articulation is part of their sound. Angus is a really precise player--and that very specific attack into a very specific amp gain staging/EQ is HIS SOUND....remove that, and it's three chord mush. Much like Clapton lost "his sound" in the 80s with the chorused JCM800 RAT pedal Lace Sensor stuff--it's not a BAD sound, it's just not HIS....and IMO, he did big disservice to Angus's sound here. |
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Post by noah shain on Jun 9, 2016 11:04:30 GMT -6
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Post by popmann on Jun 9, 2016 12:06:08 GMT -6
That makes for better title than all the obtuse underachiever stuff, no? Troof Tellah. My new hip hop alias. |
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Post by swurveman on Jun 9, 2016 16:00:30 GMT -6
If they coulda combine the dry'ish fat drums on the new one without utterly ruining Angus's guitar I disagree about the guitar sound, which I found fatiguing on Black Ice, but everybody likes what they like and that's cool. About those drums: One thing I can never seem to achieve is the way the drums sit inside the rhythm guitars in the spanning spectrum on these rock songs. Do you think they narrow the drum bus panning, or is it the size of the drum room reverb sound or what? The drums are definitely in a space inside the guitars to my ears. Or, is it his mono room mic technique, so that everything is narrower, perhaps including his overheads spacing? I'm not sure how he does it, but I love the drum/guitar balance across the L/R spectrum.. Appreciate your comments! Edit: One thing I just realized is that when I use my Smart C2 on Stereo instead of dual mono it narrows the auido . So, that may be my solution on my drum bus! Tools.... |
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The guitars sounds so smeared around like they had him quad track the same parts....phase smeared them all with different EQ, parallel mushed them up more....and then had the mastering guy gut more of his attack with mastering limiters. This is part of the issue with applying the same rules to every track--Brendan works with Springsteen and who Pearl Jam....? Guys who NON articulation is part of their sound. Angus is a really precise player--and that very specific attack into a very specific amp gain staging/EQ is HIS SOUND....remove that, and it's three chord mush. Much like Clapton lost "his sound" in the 80s with the chorused JCM800 RAT pedal Lace Sensor stuff--it's not a BAD sound, it's just not HIS....and IMO, he did big disservice to Angus's sound here.
