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Post by Ward on May 31, 2016 1:51:22 GMT -6
I highly recommend not listening to this... but if you need context, well, sorry about your luck.
Is there a new version of autotune out with a "garble robot voice" setting that even Cher would say "Oh HELL no" to?
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Post by iamasound on May 31, 2016 6:44:05 GMT -6
The raw natural beauty if the locations shot for this video are all for nought, trumped, overtaken and highjacked by the jagged unnatural ugliness of these vocals. My ears are worse for the wear from this most un H.O.L.Y of wares. An ice pick plunged will come to no good unless it is aimed at some ice, this resonance as a whole sets me to panic.
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 31, 2016 6:49:12 GMT -6
The funny thing about it, I don't think the general population even realizes that this is tuned. I think regular people think Autotune is just the Lil Wayne trick (which this sort of is, but I think they were trying to make it sound natural, not for effect).
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2016 7:07:03 GMT -6
I'm convinced there are people that can't hear it. It's one of those things that make me not trust people...how they treat animals, how they treat waiters and whether they can hear Autotune or not.
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Post by kilroyrock on May 31, 2016 7:27:03 GMT -6
I tend to use autotune when demoing out a song pretty severely, because I don't want a bad note in a in a pass to detract from what I'm TRYING to do on my final. A lot of times I'm actually using it to try different chord variations by just literally moving the notes up and down instead of re-singing 6 voices over and over I think I'm actually going to do less chord type "oo's" in the future and start using an Organ Virtual instrument. Waves Tune is my demo time saver. I'm okay with it. Smoothing out a 5 second vocal chord "oo" can either make it or ruin it by making it obvious.
I have also ruined my wife in pointing out where the autotune is on every song. I think people mistake autotune artifacts for "air" on a vocal. John Mayer keeps killing his voice with autotune. His live recording specials I've seen, like concerts at Madison square.. I think Buble is the worst with it though. These guys don't need it, but the casual listener now doesn't know what a real voice sounds like, so that if you DO do a real voice, it's not going to sound "real"...
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Post by mdmitch2 on May 31, 2016 7:45:03 GMT -6
People really don't hear it.... Even the musically inclined often don't notice. What kills me is when you see YouTube comments like "I love his voice -- it's so pure!" .... Indeed, as pure as a sine wav from a tone generator  |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2016 7:54:32 GMT -6
Buble claims he doesn't use AT. Riiiiiight.
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Post by matt on May 31, 2016 8:18:00 GMT -6
From the song's Wiki:
"The song debuted with 125,000 copies sold in the US in its debut week, propelling the song to No. 1 on the Hot Country Songs chart."
The people have spoken.
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Post by Ward on May 31, 2016 8:26:35 GMT -6
From the song's Wiki: "The song debuted with 125,000 copies sold in the US in its debut week, propelling the song to No. 1 on the Hot Country Songs chart." The people have spoken. The number of Happy Meals sold outnumbered the number of well balanced nutritious meals sold by about 100 to 1 last week. The people have spoken and they're fecking idiots. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2016 8:46:51 GMT -6
Wow...only 125k song downloads? That sound REALLY small to me for a major label act.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 31, 2016 9:41:46 GMT -6
This song is just a calculation to keep these guys on the charts. They did their southern party boy thing to death, and if they did that right now, people would probably like it, but get bored with them quickly if they continued that on the next one. So, the producer or record label says, "we need a definite hit" to keep the train a rolling, let's do a power ballad, with a hint of something religious, that'll get em'.
This truly is the musical equivalent of fast food, seems good, but it's hollow and bad for you. I did like the placement of the piano in the track. I'm working on a track now and am trying different ways to place the piano and having a little difficulty. This track features the piano, my track doesn't, but I think that one aspect was well done.
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Post by kilroyrock on May 31, 2016 10:47:19 GMT -6
Buble claims he doesn't use AT. Riiiiiight. I don't think HE does. I think whoever is in charge of releasing his albums pays a guy to do it at mix stage. Like most people at his level, I'm guessing he doesn't listen to himself regularly. If he did, he'd end up with a vault full of material never to be released like some other obsessive types from the 80's pop music scene. |
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Post by kilroyrock on May 31, 2016 10:52:51 GMT -6
I did like the placement of the piano in the track. My favorite part of the song was the main guy pretending to play the piano, out in the middle of a field. Which got me wondering if he even plays a piano - he just might, I think we all dabble in that dark art. But I don't think he was playing it on that track.
..This got me to bring up their wiki page:
Band Members[edit]
Tom Beaupre – Bass, Vocals
Dan Weller – Keyboards, Banjo, Guitar, Mandolin, Vocals
Sean Fuller – Drums
Jimmie Deeghan – Rhythm Guitar
Tyler Chiarelli – Lead Guitar, Dobro, Vocals
Owen Farrington – Capo on 1st Fret
Poor Owen's job is to hold the capo on the guitars on the 1st fret... I don't envy that guy |
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 31, 2016 11:19:31 GMT -6
I liked the piano's tone, but the auto tuned vocal just makes it feel less emotional. Those little nuances of pitch relate to how we feel when singing. To me, autotune is OK if you fix a couple of notes in an otherwise excellent performance. I would love to do that, but only occasionally, but the Melodyne plug and Logic's Flex Pitch plugs I have always create artifacts, so I have not a single note pitch corrected on my tracks because I just don't want to buy autotune.
Just listened a little bit and realized it's just another Pachelbel canon variation. Yikes, can anyone say cliche'?
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Post by svart on May 31, 2016 11:27:44 GMT -6
I'm convinced there are people that can't hear it. It's one of those things that make me not trust people...how they treat animals, how they treat waiters and whether they can hear Autotune or not. Dude, you said exactly what I was thinking. |
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Post by winetree on May 31, 2016 11:29:05 GMT -6
If I want to hear a real voice, I watch shows like "The Voice". These singers sing naturally without Autotune.
I feel these singers are better than anyone I hear on the radio because of this.
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Post by donr on May 31, 2016 11:55:41 GMT -6
Buble didn't used to autotune his voice. But then he did some pop material that used it. The claim likely dates from the early days.
Producers tune their artist's vocals because it's what the audience expects to hear. Tuning a vocal to the point it's mechanical is as much a pop convention as writing the song with the 1-5-6m-4 chord progresssion. It's just what everybody does.
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Post by kilroyrock on Jun 1, 2016 6:28:48 GMT -6
If I want to hear a real voice, I watch shows like "The Voice". These singers sing naturally without Autotune. I feel these singers are better than anyone I hear on the radio because of this. Until they get their record deal and have to put out the record. Then you'll hear autotune all over it. |
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Post by Ward on Jun 1, 2016 6:52:11 GMT -6
If I want to hear a real voice, I watch shows like "The Voice". These singers sing naturally without Autotune. I feel these singers are better than anyone I hear on the radio because of this. Until they get their record deal and have to put out the record. Then you'll hear autotune all over it. And there's plenty of Autotune Live in use too! |
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Post by yotonic on Jun 1, 2016 7:22:15 GMT -6
I don't know why country artists even bother writing verses anymore... they should all just share the same one because they all sound the same, like some sort of super repetitive half spoken word, rap sort of thing about the same old shit.
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Post by Ward on Jun 1, 2016 8:22:09 GMT -6
Here, allow me to sum up the bro country verse:
Hop in my jeep/truck/pickup, head to mountain/holler/creek/lake/beach, listen to classic rock band, open a beverage.
Now, on to the chorus!!
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Post by ericn on Jun 1, 2016 11:43:44 GMT -6
Here, allow me to sum up the bro country verse: Hop in my jeep/truck/pickup, head to mountain/holler/creek/lake/beach, listen to classic rock band, open a beverage. Now, on to the chorus!! Bro Country Glam metal guys who people wouldn't dare want to see in Spandex anymore ! |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jun 1, 2016 12:11:48 GMT -6
Here, allow me to sum up the bro country verse: Hop in my jeep/truck/pickup, head to mountain/holler/creek/lake/beach, listen to classic rock band, open a beverage. Now, on to the chorus!! Oui..you're so right. Bro Country: the fix if you have a stomach virus and you're trying to get it all up. |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jun 2, 2016 2:14:17 GMT -6
"Bro Country: Better than Ipecac"?
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Post by jeromemason on Jun 3, 2016 0:38:59 GMT -6
It's a difficult situation, especially if you're living here in Nashville.... You're not going to say no to money, especially not in this climate and it's either do it and hate it, or hit the damn bricks because there are 400 other guys armed with laptops and headphones that could probably get their foot in the door. I think a lot of the guys that work on this stuff, they don't own it, it's not like they're blasting my FB page (some do) about playing on it or producing it. It's a safe place to be, I think everyone knows it's going to fade sooner than later and you don't want to be the guy who was the king of bro country.
Anytime and really anytime you do a session with players here that is even semi thought provoking it's like they really want to work harder, do a better job, be proud and shake your hand. A record I produced not long ago, most of the songs were pretty neutral, good songs and made sense, but, there were two on the list that were more of what we have right now. First thing the bass player says (and he's the best bass player in this town IMO) is, "ok so just one finger and play stupid?" Me: "yep, you got it, don't do anything I can hear." Pretty funny moment and pretty much sums it up.
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