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Post by Johnkenn on May 27, 2016 8:18:15 GMT -6
thetrichordist.com/2016/05/26/songwriter-would-need-288-million-spins-to-equal-average-spotify-employee-salary/Spotify just posted their financials and Paul Resnikoff at Digital Music News was quick to point out that the average Spotify employee salary is $168, 747. Contrast that to the plight of songwriters. There would be no music business without the fundamental efforts of songwriters. Yet, there is not a free market in songs. The federal government mandates that Spotify pay songwriters/publishers based on a percentage of revenue. Last I checked this rate was working out to about $0.00058 per spin. This includes both the public performance (BMI/ASCAP) and the streaming mechanical (IF they happen to pay it). Best case scenario, if a songwriter retains all publishing rights to their song then a songwriter would need 288,104,634.15 spins to earn the average salary of a Spotify employee. Any questions? Share this:
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Post by kilroyrock on May 27, 2016 8:20:46 GMT -6
How do I apply for a job at Spotify?
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Post by Ward on May 27, 2016 8:31:50 GMT -6
Maybe we need lawmakers with the power to force the rental of hotel rooms at private casinos by third party sharks at extremely low rates. If Expedia, for example, could rent out rooms at Trump's or Hilton's hotels and casinos for 5¢ a night, maybe then they might start getting the picture?
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 27, 2016 8:52:43 GMT -6
How do I apply for a job at Spotify? Seriously. Note to self, apply to Spotify after my gig tonight.
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Post by kilroyrock on May 27, 2016 9:01:31 GMT -6
That's only 138511 plays per hour for a regular work week of 40 hours, 32,888 plays per hour on a 365 day rotation.
Checking my spotify totals for January: nothing, no wait February. dammit no. Okay. March! 47 cents baby!
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Post by sozocaps on May 27, 2016 10:03:15 GMT -6
It's so sad.... Lawmakers NOT concerned with artists, just corporations.... The ONLY way this ends is we artists need a corporation WE CONTROL and who is our advocate...
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Post by popmann on May 27, 2016 10:05:04 GMT -6
We're making the wrong point. The average IT salary....I mean where are they in Europe? Is always going to be higher than the average songwriter makes. Without much regard to the company they work for....
Spotify shouldn't exist....and you do that by removing glory hole investment from the equation. They don't make money. They have NO sustainable business model where they DO....the further away from the model of "we make stuff people buy" we get, the more trouble we get into as a society. This is ALL enabled by the big "financial tools"--the fact that you can come up with an idea/website that has no roadmap to making profit and people invest to the gills for the big IPO payday....this is the root of the problem. Fix that, and more of society's woes than just Spotify go away or at least are significantly reduced.
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Post by drbill on May 27, 2016 10:17:20 GMT -6
Society at large made a big mistake when corporations became "people" with all the rights and protections we afford citizens. I expect no significant positive change in the way things are done in the US. Too much money is flowing from corporations to politicians to see any difference in the near future. Term limits MIGHT help, but even then.....
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Post by jakeharris on May 29, 2016 0:59:31 GMT -6
Why bother with term limits; just ban lobbying and political donations and be done with it once and for all.
Too bad the 'people' don't realise how much power they have, and prefer binging on box-sets instead...
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Post by mrholmes on May 29, 2016 5:36:26 GMT -6
Society at large made a big mistake when corporations became "people" with all the rights and protections we afford citizens. I expect no significant positive change in the way things are done in the US. Too much money is flowing from corporations to politicians to see any difference in the near future. Term limits MIGHT help, but even then..... Only solidarity can solve the problem. But its hard to find even within our business. In our industrial western societies we have seen a slow but ongoing process, a fade a way of solidarity. That is exactly what corporate "put in your country" wants. Its a world wide thing and with TTIP for example they will drill it even deeper and deeper. Ok here we go I am sick of diagnosing the problem lets start to think in solutions. We need to unite over the globe, the internet is perfect for it. And we need to point the politics to the problem over and over again. Nothing against new technologies but if they lead to the fact that people get ripped off. We had that in industrial revolution and things changed too. Who of us knows some famous artists, who can do PR etc. Who knows people working for the press - I do for example here in Germany. How can we start to try to change something - that is the question!! How can we use our energy instead of diagnosing over and over again. It wont change anything, they will laugh at us. They laugh about those blogs which say - hey you google do the right thing. They simple don't care. But they may care if a bigger organization of Artists, Labels, Collecting Societies, Producers, Film Makers, Audio Engineers etc. talks about the problem which new technology causes. Artists united - not against new technology, we love it, but for a fair use of the copyright.
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Post by mrholmes on May 29, 2016 5:40:38 GMT -6
That's only 138511 plays per hour for a regular work week of 40 hours, 32,888 plays per hour on a 365 day rotation. Checking my spotify totals for January: nothing, no wait February. dammit no. Okay. March! 47 cents baby! You must be rich LOL.... Before I wrote them to take it down mine was 0,06 Cent WOW. Fuck you Spotify why should I give them content for free.
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Post by yotonic on May 29, 2016 15:31:48 GMT -6
We just need a billionaire to fund lawsuits against Spotify and Google.
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Post by kilroyrock on May 31, 2016 7:13:14 GMT -6
That's only 138511 plays per hour for a regular work week of 40 hours, 32,888 plays per hour on a 365 day rotation. Checking my spotify totals for January: nothing, no wait February. dammit no. Okay. March! 47 cents baby! You must be rich LOL.... Before I wrote them to take it down mine was 0,06 Cent WOW. Fuck you Spotify why should I give them content for free.
My laughable hope is that it will bring someone new to a show in the future. Then i'll make my 4 dollars off of their ticket, maybe 5 bucks on an album if I can convince them!
By not being on there, if someone who is a spotify listener looks it up, it wouldn't be on there, and I think that's worse than the payment. If you need the exposure, or customer justification that you're legit (I do), you eat the money you're losing/not making.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2016 7:18:34 GMT -6
Id take my chances. It would take a thousand plays for a penny. I'd rather have a core group of loyal fans than a million that think my music is worth one-thousandth or a cent.
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Post by mrholmes on May 31, 2016 13:11:28 GMT -6
You must be rich LOL.... Before I wrote them to take it down mine was 0,06 Cent WOW. Fuck you Spotify why should I give them content for free.
My laughable hope is that it will bring someone new to a show in the future. Then i'll make my 4 dollars off of their ticket, maybe 5 bucks on an album if I can convince them!
By not being on there, if someone who is a spotify listener looks it up, it wouldn't be on there, and I think that's worse than the payment. If you need the exposure, or customer justification that you're legit (I do), you eat the money you're losing/not making.
Vague hopes. I had a long conversation yesterday with an old dog in the business. Let me just say - hope sounds different.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 31, 2016 20:13:36 GMT -6
We're making the wrong point. The average IT salary....I mean where are they in Europe? Is always going to be higher than the average songwriter makes. Without much regard to the company they work for.... Spotify shouldn't exist....and you do that by removing glory hole investment from the equation. They don't make money. They have NO sustainable business model where they DO....the further away from the model of "we make stuff people buy" we get, the more trouble we get into as a society. This is ALL enabled by the big "financial tools"--the fact that you can come up with an idea/website that has no roadmap to making profit and people invest to the gills for the big IPO payday....this is the root of the problem. Fix that, and more of society's woes than just Spotify go away or at least are significantly reduced. It will never be fixed. The love of money is the root of all evil. And this world is EVIL. Pandoras Box fellas, It's over. The wealthiest 1% owns 98% of everything. Think about that. Money has permantly corrupted morals. What politition wouldn't vote for a lobbyist offering millions in an offshore account? The old saying is true enough, if a man isn't corrupt when he takes office, he sure will be soon thereafter.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 31, 2016 20:17:57 GMT -6
Society at large made a big mistake when corporations became "people" with all the rights and protections we afford citizens. I expect no significant positive change in the way things are done in the US. Too much money is flowing from corporations to politicians to see any difference in the near future. Term limits MIGHT help, but even then..... Nah, term limits wouldn't help either. They would simply get paid sooner. Actually, it would likely have a reverse effect. Downward spirals would accelerate instead of polititions picking their spots to get paid.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2016 20:22:11 GMT -6
I have ZERO doubt the labels will find a way to make more money at some point.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 31, 2016 20:26:07 GMT -6
Why bother with term limits; just ban lobbying and political donations and be done with it once and for all. Too bad the 'people' don't realise how much power they have, and prefer binging on box-sets instead... We can't ban anything. We elect officials to vote for us. THEY are the ones who would have to vote on legislation to ban lobbying. Does anyone believe there is one person in the world who would vote against against a golden goose? Check out this scenario... We the people get feed up. We revolt. Open war against the government which is our constitutional right. We win. We occupy Washington. We set up a new government that is solely for the people and honor and that which is right. Wouldn't that new government look a lot like the one we first set up in 1776?? Of coarse it would. But human nature is selfish. And soon, once again things would spiral down and be exactly like they are now. There is NO solution to an evil human heart. Except one that I know of.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2016 20:36:11 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 1, 2016 13:05:39 GMT -6
Why bother with term limits; just ban lobbying and political donations and be done with it once and for all. Too bad the 'people' don't realise how much power they have, and prefer binging on box-sets instead... We can't ban anything. We elect officials to vote for us. THEY are the ones who would have to vote on legislation to ban lobbying. Does anyone believe there is one person in the world who would vote against against a golden goose? Check out this scenario... We the people get feed up. We revolt. Open war against the government which is our constitutional right. We win. We occupy Washington. We set up a new government that is solely for the people and honor and that which is right. Wouldn't that new government look a lot like the one we first set up in 1776?? Of coarse it would. But human nature is selfish. And soon, once again things would spiral down and be exactly like they are now. There is NO solution to an evil human heart. Except one that I know of. Very wrong if the 99% would start to do something the 1% would have a massive problem. The thing is people are to lazy. What happened in 2008 in Washington when the people said let the Banks go down. Exactly that was the vote of the congressmen. Out of a sudden GS - Paulson arrived to organize a coup and big bang 700 Billion Dollars of the US people went to the Bangsters. No if the 99% would be really sick of this things would change faster as the rich can say no.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 1, 2016 13:29:25 GMT -6
I think labels will simply be replaced by management companies. They are right about needing 360 deals but ill-equipped to provide artists with the 360 services they require.
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Post by ericn on Jun 1, 2016 13:30:37 GMT -6
We can't ban anything. We elect officials to vote for us. THEY are the ones who would have to vote on legislation to ban lobbying. Does anyone believe there is one person in the world who would vote against against a golden goose? Check out this scenario... We the people get feed up. We revolt. Open war against the government which is our constitutional right. We win. We occupy Washington. We set up a new government that is solely for the people and honor and that which is right. Wouldn't that new government look a lot like the one we first set up in 1776?? Of coarse it would. But human nature is selfish. And soon, once again things would spiral down and be exactly like they are now. There is NO solution to an evil human heart. Except one that I know of. Very wrong if the 99% would start to do something the 1% would have a massive problem. The thing is people are to lazy. What happened in 2008 in Washington when the people said let the Banks go down. Exactly that was the vote of the congressmen. Out of a sudden GS - Paulson arrived to organize a coup and big bang 700 Billion Dollars of the US people went to the Bangsters. No if the 99% would be really sick of this things would change faster as the rich can say no. The problem wasn't that they bailed out the banks, had they not it wasn't the bankers who would have been screwed, it's that afterward they didn't really do anything to start changing the system! You can't simply change the U.S. Banking system on a dime or let it fail, unless you like the idea of the industrial world becoming Somlia!
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 1, 2016 13:53:42 GMT -6
Actually Dodd/Frank allows changing the system for the very first time, the new AG has the most experience prosecuting Wall Street banksters of anybody and the new head of the Fed is the woman who was waiving her arms screaming bloody-murder about what was about to happen. I can't imagine they aren't working hard on finding ways to change our banking system that won't be overly disruptive.
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 1, 2016 14:00:19 GMT -6
Very wrong if the 99% would start to do something the 1% would have a massive problem. The thing is people are to lazy. What happened in 2008 in Washington when the people said let the Banks go down. Exactly that was the vote of the congressmen. Out of a sudden GS - Paulson arrived to organize a coup and big bang 700 Billion Dollars of the US people went to the Bangsters. No if the 99% would be really sick of this things would change faster as the rich can say no. The problem wasn't that they bailed out the banks, had they not it wasn't the bankers who would have been screwed, it's that afterward they didn't really do anything to start changing the system! You can't simply change the U.S. Banking system on a dime or let it fail, unless you like the idea of the industrial world becoming Somlia! Its interesting. Exactly this is what the Bankers want us to believe - socialism for them capitalism for the rest of us. I am pretty sure within a few months we could have an alternative, better banking system in all western countries. It needs some regulation, a few new laws. Would it be difficult, yes I am sure it would be. The truth is there is always something what we can do. But there is no will. I am sure next crises will be that big that we do not need to discuss this topic anymore.
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