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Post by kcatthedog on May 25, 2016 16:40:38 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on May 25, 2016 19:55:11 GMT -6
I thought maybe you were propositioned by Rupert Holmes...
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Post by kcatthedog on May 25, 2016 19:58:54 GMT -6
Well,, he was asking for your number  |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 25, 2016 21:03:05 GMT -6
Do you like Pina Coladas?
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Post by kilroyrock on May 26, 2016 6:06:09 GMT -6
Maybe I'm ignorant to something (totally possible), but it seems that you can plug your headphone jack from your camera, or another external analog signal, and then you play it through your headphones..
why not just listen to the signal straight from the headphone jack? you're not bypassing any "inferior" DA, which would be maybe the biggest difference in signal?
And why are they showing a rack of 500 series boards in mid-assembly instead of the RNHP in assembly in that video? I doubt they're plugging these boards in and spending money on a big socket like that. I think I know why though..
When I opened up my RNDI, I was told I'd find a "big honking transformer" by a guy who works for a midsized clone company. Instead, I found a little baby transformer, like one you'd find on a colour palette, surrounded by about 15 SMT parts. I was pretty disheartened by that. It was my first piece of Neve gear, and was shocked by the overall "non-neve" piece of kit I received. End of the day, it sounds fine.
BTW, that black case that they enclose these pieces in, probably weighs 5 pounds on its own. Once those smt parts, plastic board and thumbnail sized transformer are out on their own, it feels as expensive as a portable boom box without any D batteries in it.
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 26, 2016 7:16:44 GMT -6
Maybe I'm ignorant to something (totally possible), but it seems that you can plug your headphone jack from your camera, or another external analog signal, and then you play it through your headphones.. why not just listen to the signal straight from the headphone jack? you're not bypassing any "inferior" DA, which would be maybe the biggest difference in signal? And why are they showing a rack of 500 series boards in mid-assembly instead of the RNHP in assembly in that video? I doubt they're plugging these boards in and spending money on a big socket like that. I think I know why though.. When I opened up my RNDI, I was told I'd find a "big honking transformer" by a guy who works for a midsized clone company. Instead, I found a little baby transformer, like one you'd find on a colour palette, surrounded by about 15 SMT parts. I was pretty disheartened by that. It was my first piece of Neve gear, and was shocked by the overall "non-neve" piece of kit I received. End of the day, it sounds fine. BTW, that black case that they enclose these pieces in, probably weighs 5 pounds on its own. Once those smt parts, plastic board and thumbnail sized transformer are out on their own, it feels as expensive as a portable boom box without any D batteries in it. Got any DI pics? |
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Post by kilroyrock on May 26, 2016 7:31:23 GMT -6
Behold, what is impossible to find with a mere Google search..
Notice the tranny is pretty much the size of that TRS jack, if you want to add some scale to it.
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Post by svart on May 26, 2016 8:13:39 GMT -6
Maybe I'm ignorant to something (totally possible), but it seems that you can plug your headphone jack from your camera, or another external analog signal, and then you play it through your headphones.. why not just listen to the signal straight from the headphone jack? you're not bypassing any "inferior" DA, which would be maybe the biggest difference in signal? And why are they showing a rack of 500 series boards in mid-assembly instead of the RNHP in assembly in that video? I doubt they're plugging these boards in and spending money on a big socket like that. I think I know why though.. When I opened up my RNDI, I was told I'd find a "big honking transformer" by a guy who works for a midsized clone company. Instead, I found a little baby transformer, like one you'd find on a colour palette, surrounded by about 15 SMT parts. I was pretty disheartened by that. It was my first piece of Neve gear, and was shocked by the overall "non-neve" piece of kit I received. End of the day, it sounds fine. BTW, that black case that they enclose these pieces in, probably weighs 5 pounds on its own. Once those smt parts, plastic board and thumbnail sized transformer are out on their own, it feels as expensive as a portable boom box without any D batteries in it. I think it's more of a belief that chip-amp/headphone drivers can't provide the slew/current driving capabilities that are necessary for full fidelity from large motor headphones, or for headphones with ultra low impedance. Something like this is a "post amplifier" that can either take the heavy lifting off of the generic headphone output, or drive headphones from a line-out instead, which would have a much more linear output due to the high impedance. |
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Post by svart on May 26, 2016 8:22:16 GMT -6
Behold, what is impossible to find with a mere Google search..
Notice the tranny is pretty much the size of that TRS jack, if you want to add some scale to it.
Looks fine to me. Have you seen inside those Marinaire/St. Ives transformers from the old neve designs? Maybe half to a quarter the size of that transformer. Old Beyer transformers used in tape machines and consoles? Maybe an 8th the size.. Inside of a Jensen transformer? maybe half that size.. Inside of a Lundahl? Again, maybe half the size. The size is reasonable and there should be NO reason to think that a huge transformer means better fidelity. Only transformer construction and materials really affect frequency response, if the transformer is designed well. Larger conductors and core only really affect power handling. Since we're working in very small power ranges, this transformer is likely overkill for a DI, but I'm sure they use it across all their product lines, so they use it here as well. |
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Post by kilroyrock on May 26, 2016 8:49:16 GMT -6
Behold, what is impossible to find with a mere Google search..
Notice the tranny is pretty much the size of that TRS jack, if you want to add some scale to it.
Looks fine to me. Have you seen inside those Marinaire/St. Ives transformers from the old neve designs? Maybe half to a quarter the size of that transformer. Old Beyer transformers used in tape machines and consoles? Maybe an 8th the size.. Inside of a Jensen transformer? maybe half that size.. Inside of a Lundahl? Again, maybe half the size. The size is reasonable and there should be NO reason to think that a huge transformer means better fidelity. Only transformer construction and materials really affect frequency response, if the transformer is designed well. Larger conductors and core only really affect power handling. Since we're working in very small power ranges, this transformer is likely overkill for a DI, but I'm sure they use it across all their product lines, so they use it here as well. They use it so you can plug a solid state 10000w amp in if you want. Thanks for the clarification. I guess compared to other DI's it's a "big honkin transformer" but not compared to the ones I've seen in most other $400+ devices |
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Post by svart on May 26, 2016 9:05:29 GMT -6
Looks fine to me. Have you seen inside those Marinaire/St. Ives transformers from the old neve designs? Maybe half to a quarter the size of that transformer. Old Beyer transformers used in tape machines and consoles? Maybe an 8th the size.. Inside of a Jensen transformer? maybe half that size.. Inside of a Lundahl? Again, maybe half the size. The size is reasonable and there should be NO reason to think that a huge transformer means better fidelity. Only transformer construction and materials really affect frequency response, if the transformer is designed well. Larger conductors and core only really affect power handling. Since we're working in very small power ranges, this transformer is likely overkill for a DI, but I'm sure they use it across all their product lines, so they use it here as well. They use it so you can plug a solid state 10000w amp in if you want. Thanks for the clarification. I guess compared to other DI's it's a "big honkin transformer" but not compared to the ones I've seen in most other $400+ devices There is something to be said about marketing though.. If they said "Big honking transformer", then I would consider that a.. mis-truth.. But there really is no technical reason to think this unit wouldn't work great. That transformer is on the output side of the DI and is used for single-ended to differential conversion and galvanic isolation. It's not for the interface between the amp and input. That is handled by those little resistors on the bottom left by the switch. Those form a pad that is switched in when you switch the unit to "amp" input mode. |
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